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MasFina
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: IamHungry]
#5776798 - 06/21/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, I like that idea, but my views have changed since I wrote this. After a long discussion with someone I know, I decided that the "hard drugs" that completely pleasure oriented, highly addictive, and always detrimental to a person's health should remain illegal. These are crack, cocaine, herion, opiates, meth, pcp etc. However, I think that treatment facilities should be set up in which a person can go and get these drugs for free, but they must be slowly weened off of them and given therapy as well. The thing would be for them to have to stay at the facility for the duration of treatment. As far as marijuana, I say legalize it everywhere. My friend did point out something about psychedelics though and I think they have a point. Many people should not use psychedelics, and some places would become very unsafe if there were widespread psychedelic use there (places with a lot of crime). So I think that the federal government should be nuetral on psychedelics, and that their legality should be determined on a local level based on the crime rate of that area. However, if you lived in an area where they were illegal, you could obtain a prescription for them if you can prove that you are going to use them responsibly for personal growth. Also, a persons criminal history should be investigated before giving them a psychedelics prescription. I came to this conclusion based on the analogy of gun control. If you allow concealed weapons in a crime ridden area then chances are there will be more shootings. However, if you allow them in a small town with hardly any crime it will probably not make a difference. This scenario is definitely a compromise for me, because I believe in having personal freedom. But I think that you have to consider the health of society as well and realize that people's addictive personalities and the crime rate are serious considerations that must be addressed. Let me know what you think.
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Edited by MasFina (06/21/06 02:47 PM)
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
#5784096 - 06/23/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's a great idea but keep in mind that drug-related charges make up the crime rate, so you would have to base psycedelic legality on something else--- a crime statistic that neglects drug charges (I don't know what it's called)
Keeping "harder drugs" illegal does not solve the problem of drug abuse. "Remember prohibition-- it still doesn't work!" Justifying a drug illegal just because it is purely recreational and detrimental to one's health is both wrong and unconstitutional, not to mention hypocritical... hypocritical because that is the reason marijuana is illegal (even though MJ isn't really bad at all for your health)
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MasFina
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: Parabolalala]
#5785309 - 06/23/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you are right. That was my original argument, I just think that America can't handle all drugs being legal. Maybe if it started this way and it went ok then they could legalize all drugs. It really does not take care of the drug crime problem though. There will still be big drug lords, so the choice is either legalize them all and having hard drugs more available to children and irresponsible adults or make a compromise like I said. But as an initial step I think my last post would be the way to go. Maybe marijuana would be the gateway legalization to everything else.
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
#5805630 - 06/30/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like this idea. I think one of the easier ways to implement it would to of course start with the cannabis. Being as somewhere along the line some official stoner holiday was made out of April 20th, I say we set the date there. Rally all the cannabis users together on that day to demonstrate and voice their complaints. March on your state capital. As far as doing so with a joint in hand I can't really support that. For the reason that many states don't have to do anything more than confiscate it and write you a ticket. All this would do is generate a supply for the hypocritical cops and generate a large source of revenue.
I think the important thing is to just get the message across that there are more of us than they care to admit. Plus this would help to reduce peoples concerns about legal issues being as they would just be flexing their first amendment muscles.
I think the message could be gotten across benignly enough. I forget who the group was that funded the billboards in Denver (and am currently to lazy to find out) about legalization there, but I am sure that they or similar groups would be willing to put up billboards to the effect of April 20th join us in (insert your state capital here).
Just my thoughts on a possible solution.
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: nugjug]
#5833984 - 07/08/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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We should follow Holland's example. Hard drugs and soft drugs. Help for the hard stuff and the soft is un-prosecuted. But we go a step further and legalize them all starting with soft drugs. Then...
Drug licensing. Remember the Marijuana stamp? Only this time it won't be a catch 22. A license to grow/produce, and a license to sell. Cost would vary according to permit, drug, and amount you intend to process. (e.g. an ounce for personal use or kilos for sale.)
When this proves to be economical, we consider hard drugs. A license would include certification in each substance for production of a clean, safe, contaminant free drug. Perhaps they should only be available though official channels, but they should be available to those who need them. There would still be heavy restrictions, but people wouldn't go to prison for indulging any substance.
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: shymanta]
#5837038 - 07/08/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thatd be cool if we dressed up as smart old people who hate drugs. and got a job at the DEA. and slowly climbed the company ladder kissing ass, hating drugs. until we had power to fire the people.
then fire all the bastards and legalize all drugs.
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: kora]
#5838637 - 07/09/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try getting a heroine or a crack addict off his ass to work! I've got a buddy hooked on H and he can barely drag his ass out of bed. Sweats, chills, you name it. That shit makes you sick.
I do think the original idea is a great one. It would make a great website/discussion to be continued. A documentary is an equally good idea. I'm surprised no one has done one yet. Probably too busy smoking up or tripping? That may be the biggest downfall to drug use. Lethargy. But, I'm sure there are liberal non-drug user film makers (or functional drug users) that would entertain the idea. Perhaps passionately even.
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: 76degrees]
#5839266 - 07/09/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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or pretend to be a dare teacher, send the imposters out to every school asking to do a presentation. and teal the kids the real facts before the teachers can do shit about it. muahahaa.
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: kora]
#5951651 - 08/10/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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we need to subvert the word "drug"
like for instance, you don't say you want "negro" rights... or N word rights... you say you want "African-American" rights, because African-American is a new word that doesn't have hate attached to it.
well drugs is like the N word and cannot be thought of in a good way.
entheogen is a word most people have never heard and can be used in replace.
so if you say "drugs should be legalized" people are conditioned to go whatever ....
but if you say "I really think entheogens should be legalized because they are so helpful for humanity and psychologists" people will be curious and ask what you mean.
then you don't mention LSD for a while, you talk about obscure drugs they've never heard of before, and gradually tie it into LSD... because I've found people are insanely prejucided about LSD more than anything at all
even though from reading the shroomery it sounds like mushrooms give you a lot harder of a trip to handle than acid does, all the people i know in real life think the opposite.
i think people are so prejudiced that if you walked up to someone and said "Have you ever heard of Lysergic acid diethylamide ? It's a fantastic chemical currently showing research in relatoin to conscoiusness and the treatment of cluster headaches......" and you gave them a spiel about what LSD does, they'd be like "wow that is awesome"
but that's because they wouldn't know you were talking about LSD! if you replaced Lysergic acid diethylamide with LSD or "acid" they wouldn't give you the time of day.
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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: leery11]
#5952768 - 08/11/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
even though from reading the shroomery it sounds like mushrooms give you a lot harder of a trip to handle than acid does, all the people i know in real life think the opposite.
I have noticed most people I have talked to hands down would tell you that LSD gives you a much harder trip than shrooms.
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