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Offlinephungi
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Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine
    #5719136 - 06/06/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Some one recently told me that the reason that you trip on shrooms is because Psilocybin is a form of strychnine (rat poison).

Is this true? I told him that I thought it was bullshit.


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: phungi]
    #5719198 - 06/06/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Strychnine


Psilocybin


So gfrom the fact that it is made from the same elements i can say that this is TOTAL BULLSHIT.
Tell him that :smile:


Edited by Pithlit (06/06/06 02:43 PM)


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: Pithlit]
    #5719281 - 06/06/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've actually never seen a tryptamine up next to strychnine's molecular structure before.... Pretty interesting that they share the 6-membered aromatic ring and five member nitrogen ring... strych's pretty crazy with the 7-membered oxygen ring and the non-flat geometry too...


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: Pithlit]
    #5719307 - 06/06/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thats the biggest crock of shit I think IVe ever heard---there was an urban legend circulating (probably instigated by anti-drug propaganda) that rat poison was added to LSD but Ive never heard anybody suggest some "form" of Strychnine naturally present in mushrooms. The Nux vomica tree is the only non-synthetic source of Strychnine.


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #5719473 - 06/06/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Erowid on this urban legend: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth5.shtml

Look at LD50 for rats (iv):
Psilocybin - 280 mg/Kg
Strychnine- 0.96 mg/Kg

Strychnine is an antagonist of glycine receptors, psilocin - imitates serotonin at 5HT2a receptors.

They belong to different types of alcaloids, they have different mol mass, chemical formula, all in all their only similarity is in some common symptoms like: "Agitation; Apprehension or fear; Restlessness; Jaw tightness".
On the other hand, one can experience same symptoms while watching a reality show or listening to a blabber of a drunk hillbilly in a local pub :grin:

So, most probably your friend is wrong.


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: shneck]
    #5719977 - 06/06/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No. It is not.


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: phungi]
    #5720016 - 06/06/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ok take everything u've ever heard about strychnine being in drugs and forget it lol...when I was in hs ppl would tell me that strychnine was in acid because without it u'd never come down(this was common "knowledge" lol) I tried to set ppl straight but ppl rarely listened and I actually got pretty pissed off once...I started reading the mmgg in the 8th grade...actually the first search I ever did on the net was "how to grow magic mushrooms" lol...I visited erowid a lot during the 9th and 10th grade but no matter how much I learned ppl wanted to be ignorant it seemed...they didn't even know it was strychnine...they would just say rat poison...I remember a buddy complaining of having stomach cramps and some girl said "oh thats the..." and I came in "strychnine" with a knowing smile lol :laugh:


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5720444 - 06/06/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Good find, shneck.

I liked this line:


" This is intuitively backed up by the fact that a 5mm x 5mm "standard" square of blotter LSD only weights about 2mg and if the paper itself was made completely out of pure strychnine it is still on the very low end of Strychnine's threshold of activity. "

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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5720857 - 06/06/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

people will vigorously defend what they don't know about.

Mention Ibogaine to someone.... you will get away with telling them many many positive things about it as a psychedelic drug.

Mention LSD to someone and they probably won't listen to you.

in fact the bias against LSD in compared to almost no bias against mushrooms is astounding!


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: leery11]
    #5722471 - 06/07/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

leery11 said:
people will vigorously defend what they don't know about.




ain't that the truth...the less they know the louder their voice


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5723850 - 06/07/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey!! You guys kick ass. That the kind of info that I had hoped that I would get. Thank you very much!!

I knew that it had to be bullshit.


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5724204 - 06/07/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

my rule of thumb is take EVERYTHING u hear about drugs directly from other ppl with a grain of salt...some ppl have info but unfortunately most have no clue(but think they do)


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5725017 - 06/07/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

HAHA its amazing to here this rumour still goin round, I was talking to a guy last week, whos been eating shrooms for almost 10 years and he still believes they have stychnine in them! Why are some ppl so afraid of learning!


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: slaterbot]
    #5725391 - 06/08/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

/me shrugs


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5725707 - 06/08/06 03:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

People are very set in their ways with so called facts when it comes to drugs.

If your correct them the majority of the time they just don't want to hear it, i tend to save myself the turmoil and sit there with a knowing smile :smile:


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: mikeyboy]
    #5725709 - 06/08/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I do the same now...its just not worth it(well to be honest I get so fucking technical I usually leave ppl speechless these days...but I don't like making ppl feel uncomfortable like that)


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5729791 - 06/09/06 06:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No shit. I'm not as privy as you guys on boomers but I know herb. And I was sitting listening to this guy describe how hash and kif are made, and it was hilarious, he said that you needed to constuct some rediculas machine out of barrels and how it would take weeks to see the final product :rofl2:

I just listened and kept my kif in my pocket. I guess that I should have written down his instructions for the machine......or......a simple piece of silkscreen seems to work fine, and in only a few minutes instead of a few weeks :grin:

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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: phungi]
    #5729876 - 06/09/06 06:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

lmao *literally* I'm still fuckin laughing that is just so fuckin funny


Edited by Iamthewalrus (06/09/06 06:52 AM)


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: mikeyboy]
    #5730113 - 06/09/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mikeyboy said:
People are very set in their ways with so called facts when it comes to drugs.

If your correct them the majority of the time they just don't want to hear it, i tend to save myself the turmoil and sit there with a knowing smile :smile:




My freinds now know not to argue with me about drugs because when they do most likely I'm right.  It pisses me off just because I try to spread good info, but people will not hear it.


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5730120 - 06/09/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think if your posting on the shroomery chances are ur the one in your group with the info :laugh:


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Re: Is Psilocybin a form of Strychnine [Re: phungi]
    #5730135 - 06/09/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

btw I'm still gigglin over that phungi...I can just imagine myself being in the exact same situation with the exact same person


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