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OfflineTheBotanist
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Pan. Subbs
    #5718213 - 06/06/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I have learned alot in the past couple of day. I found what appeared to be subbs in the grass on my front lawn, so I scrambled around trying to learn all I could about subbs and the lookalikes to help me with my harvesting. As I walked around the neighborhood, filling my hat wtih specimins, I made some observations.

-The subbs around here(South Carolina) when found in a lawn, are only in the healthiest, greenest, irrigated fescue grass. There will be subbs everywhere in the fescue, but 2 feet away in any other type of grass there will be nothing.

-There is alot of variation in the color of the subbs. This confused me at first b/c I thought the lighter colored ones were something different.

-There were conocybe's growing amoungst the pans. but these can be avoided by easy identification(rusty brown spores) or simply picking shrooms in the evening- the conocybe will be wilted away to nothing by then.

-There were Psathyrella's growing around,and I have read alot of confusion here on these boards. The Psathyrella I found were much more fragile and were usually gowing close to wood chip beds, or you could tell a tree had been removed from that spot. They did not bruise blue, and the stem would break if I tried to pick it. The biggest difference was the color of the Stem. Psathyrella's have very white stems compared to pans. Correct me if I am wrong.

I found a couple other lookalike that did not have a JET BLACK spore print. Jet black is in capital letters because it was very hard to tell whether or not there were any brownish or purplish tints. The best way is to get one of the prints that you know is jet black and compare it to the others side by side. You will begin to notice the subtle difference in color. When they say jet black, they mean jet black.

All of these had Jet Black prints, grew on fescue grass, in SC, and some of them bruised blue









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These had spores that were a little less than jet black, and were promptly discarded:

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These didn't want to leave any spores, but I am going to assume they are not subbs:



So I guess I am making sure all the shrooms that did print black are subbs. They look so varied. My main concern is Psathyrella's. But since I did find some kind of Psathyrella wouldn't it be safe to say that any other Psathyrellas around would look similar to these, and have similar spore color.. if so, then my subbs in question are definatly subbs!!


Edited by TheBotanist (06/06/06 08:43 AM)


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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: TheBotanist]
    #5718621 - 06/06/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Very interesting. You are right about the variations.
I say that some are subbs. there are some others that may not be. Of course, anything with a less than black print.
But the lighter ones, they have more of a sphyrical shape. GGreatone or mikkon should have something to say about that. You'll have to compare these mushrooms closely.
Wait to hear from our mods.

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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5718683 - 06/06/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Nice finds and observations!


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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: Feanor]
    #5719870 - 06/06/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Alright I have some more pics. Here are some more pics of what I think are subbs. with jet-black prints. Also I forgot to mention how the stem blues at the base where the mycellium is still attached.





Here are some darker capped specimens, still jet black print.



Here is an oddity that won't drop it spores. It is the bottom shroom, with a normal one next to it. I have only found about 5 or 6 for every couple hundred "good" shrooms I find. I'm tossing these out.



Note the slight difference in color. the lower shroom is slightly redder, they both leave black prints.


Here are some picks of what I think are Psathyrella's. Brown spores. Look nothing like my "subbs"- don't see how they could be mistaken. Note how the stem breaks apart lengthwise- without much provocation. The stem is also much much more white that then pans. This shroom also grows in groups connected together. One thing I noticed with the Pan.'s is that they grow in groups, but are pretty much never connected together. I could be on to a good identifier.











Here is a jet black on the right, and brown Psathyrella on the left(couldn't get a distinct print)



Here is a random Pan. species I found around the subbs, but isolated by themselves. Black spores but gills hang down below bottom of cap.






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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: TheBotanist]
    #5720021 - 06/06/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Very nice......good eye on those Psathyrella.....correct

good observations in the field......your two shroom pics that wont drop spores are the same species and good to know it grows over there as it can be common here in lawns and Ive been wanting to figure that one out for a long time ....maybe Ill attempt it this year

your bottom "random" pics are inactive Panaeolus acuminatus.


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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: TheBotanist]
    #5720035 - 06/06/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Nice subb pictures TheBotanist. Plentyful amounts of subbs.

Always remember that for any of the subbalteatus you are unsure about, do not hesitate to throw them out.

You are probably the first person in the history of this forum to post a Panaeolus subbalteatus report from South Carolina.  Oddly, from my memory.  :stoned:


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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: TheBotanist]
    #5720037 - 06/06/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Very nice finds.
As to your "unknown" ones that appear they have black spores but they don't drop, I've been finding those in VA and MD since last year here is a post. I'm hoping to find out more about them, but it is very interesting to see that they exist as far away from here as they do. Let me know if you happen to run across once that look similiar to these but are more cinched at the margin, more tannish in color and with cream colored gills. Those I am also interested in. Thanks and Keep posting!


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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: mikonn]
    #5720059 - 06/06/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You are right mikonn, the ones you found are very similar to the ones TheBotanist has..

?? What species of Panaeolus is that??

I am refering to the bottom mushroom in this picture of TheBotanist's:


And of the ones in this picture of mikonn's:


What species of Panaeolus could they be?


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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #5720175 - 06/06/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ya its been exceedingly common here in lawns since I can remember and always wanted to figure it out but two things have always stood out with this one is the velar involved as many Pans have no gill covering even at the youngest stages and the under developing (exapanding) collapsed wrinkled cap which is a consistant characteristic for this shroom.......both of these hallmarks for many of the Papillionaceus/ Campanulatus/ Sphinctrinus group......but this one is a very distinct shroom......Ive never noticed it blue before

EDIT: was just looking at the num6ers on the top of the page .......10 mins till 6 6 6 06 PM


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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #5720380 - 06/06/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've found those growing in one spot, a clump of 4 in NY, gills were black.


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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #12723499 - 06/10/10 10:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

GGreatOne234 said:
You are right mikonn, the ones you found are very similar to the ones TheBotanist has..

?? What species of Panaeolus is that??

I am refering to the bottom mushroom in this picture of TheBotanist's:


And of the ones in this picture of mikonn's:


What species of Panaeolus could they be?




Saw these hunting today. ID please


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Re: Pan. Subbs [Re: Jvells]
    #12723684 - 06/10/10 10:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Panaelopsis. I think I saw some of these, will post tommoro!!


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