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InvisibleLiquidkick
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DT air exchange.
    #5717266 - 06/05/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How much air exchange does a DT really need? I am having lots of problems trying to get pins in my DTs.

I am thinking of getting an airpump and some wands and run them thru the top holes and having air exchange with that.

I am getting what i believe to be overlay again... The myc just rips thru my casing layer like it was not even there. Sides have shrunk a bit. I mist every day, well i try to. Strain is PE. It has been 7 days now and its looking like my DT that failed before, that fruited and everything aborted.

In the TMC it states 1-3 exchanges /hr... but i have no idea if i am even getting any air exchange. I have a hepa filter running in the room 24/7....

And sometimes i point a fan in there, there is moving air in my room, but all i notice is that if it condenses, the area where the polyfill is it has a small circular area around the holes that are clear. So i am guessing some air is getting in. Does anyone have any answers?


DT:
50qt DT
2 inch sub Hpoo/WBS/Verm/Kelp
Casing 50/50+
Holes 1 and 1/2 inch


Edited by Liquidkick (06/05/06 11:12 PM)


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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5717297 - 06/05/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i don't believe you are supposed to be misting a doubletub, thats the whole point of it. you make it and leave it alone until it fruits.


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InvisibleLiquidkick
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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: CantiSama]
    #5717312 - 06/05/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I been misting it so it wouldn't dry out , and to try and stop the myc from growing any further and overlaying my casing.

I know you are not supost to mist, but i didn't do that on my first attempt and all i got were aborts so i just chucked it and started over. Its starting to look like the same out come. So something here is wrong... and i am guessing air exchange but i am not sure.


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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5717332 - 06/05/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

here is the deal with a double tub:

fill with substrate
seal
let colonize
open and apply casing
seal
open next only to harvest.


you are opening your double tub.
bad bad move.
you just killed all of your humidity.

next time you do it, follow this pictoral:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=boxes&Number=4323984&page=0&fpart=1


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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5717338 - 06/05/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

p.s. a double tub gets no air exchange by opening the tub, if you haven't gathered that.

just have the tub in a room where there is slight air circulation, like a small fan. No fans blowing directly on the tub.


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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5717352 - 06/05/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Liquidkick said:
I been misting it so it wouldn't dry out , and to try and stop the myc from growing any further and overlaying my casing.

I know you are not supost to mist, but i didn't do that on my first attempt and all i got were aborts so i just chucked it and started over. Its starting to look like the same out come. So something here is wrong... and i am guessing air exchange but i am not sure.




FYI by moistening the casing layer you are encouraging the myc to grow through it. If you want to try and stop the vegatative growth dont mist the casing layer.


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InvisibleLiquidkick
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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: coda]
    #5717414 - 06/05/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I been misting thru the holes.

Ok, i been getting mixed answers on misting and not misting.

I know this is a set and forget type of thing. But some people mist and some people don't.

So whats the verdict?


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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5717458 - 06/05/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I dunno but i always kept mine moist

and they pinned good :smile:

thats BRF too


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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5717459 - 06/05/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

whomever is misting is making a mistake.

wronguy is quite smart.
coda is quite smart.

I would go with them.
follow wronguy's pictoral, you will achive good results.


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InvisibleLiquidkick
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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5718716 - 06/06/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I been following it...

I truly believe that my air exchange is bad. has anyone gotten a DT to fruit prolifically with minimal air exchange?

I am down to 2 things now, air exchange and temp. I have recently corrected my temp situation, so now its a test for air exchange.


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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5718876 - 06/06/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

whoa, lemme set some things straight here. While i appreciate the complement i had no part in designing the DT. I also had no part in creating the pictorial for the tek.

Eatualive is credited with the DT (although i think he may have just modified the idea from someone else), and wronguy is credited with creating the awesome pictorial on creating one.

With that said we can continue. If you have poor FAE you won't receive optimum results. Mushrooms like fresh air, this is why tubs generally fruit well in a martha setup. If you're not providing them the FAE they need then they will sit in stagnant air. Also remember that FAE are pinning triggers, if the mushrooms don't receive it they may not pin as fast if at all. I said to stop misting because his substrate is eating through the casing layer. I only said this because it may be hindering his efforts to pin his tub. Keeping your casing layer moist is a must, this encourages the myc to grow up and out and provides the fruits with moisture. Normally in a DT setup, if done correctly, the casing layer will provide adequate moisture throughout the whole process. Like it has been noted this is a set and forget setup, AKA Bulk neglect.

Have you drilled the proper holes at the proper levels? Is there a fan circulating air near by to help with this? What are your temps, how much sunlight do you get a day, and have you measured the RH inside of the tub?

These problems can be tricky to diagnose as it could be one of hundreds of things. It could also be genetic as well, sometimes there are factors involved that are out of your control. All i can say is have patience, keep an eye on it, try not to fuck with it too much, and you should see some fruits.


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i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug*

-A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)



Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.


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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: coda]
    #5718967 - 06/06/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Tub humidity is 85% It is a bit low but not that much.

I have lots of light on it. I think i will just wait it out. The holes are drilled properly.

I'll bubble wand things in the future i think.


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Re: DT air exchange. [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5719612 - 06/06/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

85% is optimum for casings, it's better to have a high humidty prepin though. However, i dont think the humidity is your problem. Just give it some more time and keep your eye on it.


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-JG

i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug*

-A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)



Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.


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