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fireworks_god
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Re: Question [Re: raytrace]
#5718253 - 06/06/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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raytrace said: the survival of the individual is dependent upon lies
Elaborate, perhaps?
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painfull truth
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Re: Question [Re: Fospher]
#5718391 - 06/06/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fospher said:
As a supplements specialist. I take one of each every day except sundays.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Veritas

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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5718557 - 06/06/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Swami??
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5718581 - 06/06/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Which is better?
1. A pleasant lie. 2. A painfull truth.
So black and white.
Truths are subjective and or relative. You should've used "painful fact".
What if your father tells you that you suck at playing the piano and truly means it. You're piano teacher tells you that you are progressing faster that any other student and seem to have a natural inclination for music, and truly means it. You're little brother thinks you are the greatest at it, and truly means it.
Which is the truth? Why can't they all be even if they contradict each other?
What about painful lies? Why didn't you add that to the list.
What if your father, who's opinion matters to you, was lying, to motivate you to practice harder, because he truly you feels you have great potential?
What about the times, two people Joe and Rob, have plans for something and a great opportunity comes up for Joe on the same day. Rob, even though this was his only chance to sky diving for free and he really wanted it, knows Joe has been waiting for a chance like this to come up for years to live out a dream. Rob also knows, Joe is the sort of person keeps with his promises and won't bail on him, even Rob encouraged him too.
So Rob, wanting to give to Joe, tells Joe, he got really sick and can't go sky diving, leaving Joe free.
A total lie, that was painful in a way for Rob to tell, because he was disappointed for his loss, yet happy for Joe's gain at something. Because they have been best friends for 20 years, Rob ultimately feels Joe's gain is his gain anyway and that fulfills the sense of personal loss he temporarily had.
It's not so black and white when dealing with truths and fabrications of them.
However, facts are facts and give me those any day. If I think I am my rendition of Chopin is perfect and pride myself on it, I still would want anyone able to, to tell me if I missed 5 keys and 3 chords and which ones.
I would much rather have the chance to self correct through a painful fact, then live in a false fantasy, believing things as facts that are not so.
I agree with the statements regarding what utility comes from out of truths or fabrications of them.
Other then that, facts are facts, even if painful, give em to me straight, yet, it would be nice if you point out some pleasant facts as well as a water chaser. 
Then again, I suppose it's more tactful in general to deliver a painful fact mixed with some pleasant facts to help it go down more easily and there is nothing wrong with mixed drinks either.
The juices in a Lynchburg Lemonade help the Jack Daniels to go down more nicely and whats so wrong, with making life more pleasant and smoother, to ease the rough edges?
And yet, we must be careful with what is presented as science fact because at times, honest mistakes were made and fact can become fiction as time and more information come into play.
Look at those people taking that heart medication because the FDA said it was totally safe in all research testing done, and at the worst, they may experience mild side effects, and people started keeling over dead from it.
There are the sorts of facts that change as new information comes into play. Not all facts are fixed. Some end up having to give and flex later on up the road.
In short, you're preposition isn't a true reflection of how actual reality goes down and is played out.
As much as some people need to know what actually is and what isn't so they can feel safe and secure, life isn't that cut and dry or black and white. Uncertainty abounds and surrounds and if it wasn't for that, there would be little growth.
Bruce Lee once said, "faith is good, yet doubt gives you an education."
To him, being sure one way or the other wasn't as important as any condition created that can give him reason to to further learn or understand something more deeply, either way.
Anytime, we have become 100% convinced of something either way, our growth stops dead in that area.
Ever believe you were truly prepared for something, and then, let some doubt creep in, and then get the idea to put a few more eggs in the basket, and those few extra eggs paid off having with you?
Then again, ever have doubts about something, (because of fear, mistrust or lack of confidence in general) and they rendered you paralyzed and you blew a shot at what was sure thing, from hindsight. Doubt and skepticism can also blind us from realizing truths and what could have become new fact of life.
That further education, may sometimes include learning more about how doubt doesn't always serve us.
I personally think that our mental, emotional and physical health is dependent on a good balance of the fixed and flexible being present in our lives.
We need some fixed to have some foundation and framework for stability as we move around, and yet, without the flexible, we get trapped within the all fixed by our fear of the unstable and flexing parts of life.
Food for your thoughts diploid. None of this may ever resonant for you, and yet, perhaps it will at least serve to help you understand others who are not like you.
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raytrace
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why do parents nurture their children with all sorts of lies?
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Veritas

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Re: Question [Re: raytrace]
#5718645 - 06/06/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not all parents nurture their children with lies (even pleasant ones).
Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, Bogeyman in the closet...these are all culturally accepted lies which parents tell their children.
I explained to my sons (at a fairly young age), that I did not intend to lie to them about these mythological figures. I told them that sometimes people can understand invisible ideas better when they can picture them as a being.
I avoid lying to my sons as much as possible, and will say "I don't want to talk to you about that," rather than fabricate a story to cover up something which is none of their business.
Even a "pleasant" lie can be a betrayal of trust, when you are lying to someone who loves you and believes that you know everything.
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Nothing is absolute.
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