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#5715722 - 06/05/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Which is better?
1. A pleasant lie. 2. A painfull truth.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5715729 - 06/05/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5715831 - 06/05/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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3) Silence.
>^;;^<
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TheGus
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i like them both depending upon the scenario, or who it will hurt cus some people i dont care about hurting
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5715857 - 06/05/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you had to pick just one...
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5715861 - 06/05/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Depends:
1. Will the pleasant lie have any negative ramifications down the road? 2. Will the painful truth help me grow more wise and mature?
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5715868 - 06/05/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK,
2) a painfull truth*
*Disclaimer: As long as it is not physical pain....
>^;;^<
-------------------- I'll be your midnight French Fry.... "The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...." >^;;^<
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5715878 - 06/05/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Give me the truth every single time.
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are they both the same thing?
such as pleasant: "you look cute" vs truth: "actually i find you hideous"
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5716128 - 06/05/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is there a difference?
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5716193 - 06/05/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Was this leading to something and this is just a dramatic pause, or were you just actually seeing how people would answer....?
Which would you choose....?
>^;;^<
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The context is ambiguous, and the words "pleasant" and "painful" are inexact.
I'll change it for myself, then answer, if you don't mind.
A falsehood which increases utility vs A truth which decreases utility
I'd take the falsehood, assuming nothing else would change. Truth alone is not enough to justify unhappiness.
But I'm really on the fence about this. I've debated it with myself many, many times.
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Re: Question [Re: Xanthas]
#5716893 - 06/05/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Which is more important, happiness? or knowledge?
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capliberty
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can happiness come from an illusion?
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Re: Question [Re: Xanthas]
#5716996 - 06/05/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does a truth not have more "value" than a lie....? Or does the "value" of the deliverer cancel out the "value" of the receiver's willingness to accept it as a truth....?
Even if it is an unpleasant truth, the unpleasantness most likely comes from not wanting to face that truth....
If it is a non-painful lie, it is empty and really doesn't mean anything either way....
It all depends on the perception/realization/denial/intent/delivery/etc. etc. It is all very subjective, just like everything else.... And there was no context in his question, as you said....
You have three choices, not just two.... 1) Tell a truth.... 2) Tell a lie.... 3) Be silent (as I said for my first answer)....
>^;;^<
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even though he didn't convey it thoroughly,
I think he meant:
pleasant lie; the lie is kind of pleasant sounding, but there is consequent painful truth that does exist
painful truth;the truth is painful, but there is an option to tell a pleasant lie to cover it up.
-A: "what you don't know won't hurt you"
-B: "the truth is the only thing that can set you free"
A or B ?
Edited by capliberty (06/05/06 10:24 PM)
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5717158 - 06/05/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Diploid said: Which is better?
1. A pleasant lie. 2. A painfull truth.
What about....
1. A painfull lie. 2. A pleasant truth.
???
Virtually every "truth" the human race has ever believed has been disproved in some form or another.
Both are just opinions/perceptions/delusions of the human condition.
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5717638 - 06/06/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Question [Re: Fospher]
#5718087 - 06/06/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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why didn't I take the blue pill;
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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
#5718214 - 06/06/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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naturally i would go for the painful truth, though it may not be the wisest choice. the survival of the individual (and the specie) is dependent upon lies (assuming that such a thing as 'truth' exists anyway)
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