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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Diploid]
    #5715769 - 06/05/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics



Suicide bombers are not mystics, or at least none that I've heard of. Mystics draw their beliefs from direct experience of the divine. Suicide bombers and other fanatics draw their beliefs from the dogmatic teachings of others. If you want to criticize mystics, fine. But stop misusing the word.


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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Redstorm]
    #5715793 - 06/05/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I should also point out that many if not most suicide bombers are motivated at least as much by socio-political forces as by religion.


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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Springs]
    #5715881 - 06/05/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Materialists are closed and rigid of thought. They speak in absolutes rather than in propositions: "this is how it is" rather than "this is how it appears to be" or "I am not wrong" rather than "I don't think I'm wrong".

There, that works. Sometimes. As much as any other belief, anyway.


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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Silversoul]
    #5715885 - 06/05/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wait, now I've figured it out:


People I disagree with are closed and rigid of thought. They speak in absolutes rather than in propositions: "this is how it is" rather than "this is how it appears to be" or "I am not wrong" rather than "I don't think I'm wrong".

There, that's a system that works for anyone. :grin:


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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Basilides]
    #5716074 - 06/05/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Drawing a string between suicide bombers and mystics is a bit below the belt on Diploid's part. Not to mention it's a massive stretch of so-called logic.



It's a bit like saying "Dogs and Other Cats"


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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5717089 - 06/05/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
It seems as if he's speaking in absolutes rather than propositions.  :tongue:



My thoughts exactly


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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Diploid]
    #5719196 - 06/06/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Diploid has a long history here of misusing and misunderstanding the word 'mystic.'

Ask a hundred mystics to define the word, and they'll each make up a different definition, often contradicting each other. This is one of their biggest problems: they make things up.

Give me a definition used by most mystics, and I'll use it. Until then, mystics should clean their own house before they complain about my mess.

True mystics

No Scotsman is a thief.
But I know a thieving Scotsman.
Aye, he's not a true Scotsman.




Sorry man, but you're not getting out of it that easily. We've all been pretty clear on what a mystic is: It's someone who has direct experience/access to the divine(as opposed to someone who follows the dogmas of others). This has been explained to you before.


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Re: Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique [Re: Diploid]
    #5719221 - 06/06/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Diploid said:
We've all been pretty clear on what a mystic is: It's someone who has direct experience/access to the divine

Did you not read the excerpt of a Suicide Bomber's "direct experience of the divine"? Or are you calling him a liar when he claims to know God's wishes for him?



Even if some suicide bombers claim to have mystical experiences, that does not mean that suicide bombers as a group can be classified as mystics. Mysticism is certainly not a defining feature of suicide bombers.


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