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How hard for the DEA to find me?
#5714936 - 06/05/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've always wondered how hard it would be for the cops/DEA to find out a cultivators location and bust them.
Say they never reveal anything in photos or in posts or in any PMs.
But if the DEA wanted to find the person, could they?
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Atheist]
#5715132 - 06/05/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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definitely.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: ohmatic]
#5715288 - 06/05/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh fuck.
shouldnt i be worried and delete my growlog???
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Atheist]
#5715631 - 06/05/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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they havent yet, if they ever do it will be a simeotaneous bust nation wide,
they couldnt get everyone, but they could get alot of people im sure.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5715860 - 06/05/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'd say grind all shrooms for to flush the toilet, otherwise they will get stuck. and hire somebody to make sure they arent preparing to battering ram your door. they would be able to shut down motion detectors or pretty much anything you try.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: sleepy]
#5715901 - 06/05/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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As long as no one you know locally knows that you're a cultivator, I'd say you're pretty safe. Aside from terrorism, authorities usually only take local anonymous tips, not some tips from online message forum posters.
It's a lot more difficult than you think for anyone to get a warrant, and a judge would never sign over a warrant to search your home over unreliable internet photos of a cultivation crop. Not to mention you're a small fish in big ocean of drugs, with the big fish cultivating far more dangerous and detrimental drugs.
Don't be paranoid, you're completely fine. It's a whole different story if you like to brag about growing shrooms to your neighborhood friends.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: phoenix012]
#5717256 - 06/05/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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On a side note can they even get a warrant if they just hear locally that you are growing? I've always wondered how this works, when someone rats a dealer out.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: HighGuy]
#5717609 - 06/06/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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HighGuy said: On a side note can they even get a warrant if they just hear locally that you are growing? I've always wondered how this works, when someone rats a dealer out.
If they have a informent. They are coming in.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: KaptKid]
#5717804 - 06/06/06 02:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The informant generally has to have some sort of proof, or they use the tip and come up with the proof later. Like, I believe with your case they used a controlled buy, right?.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5720275 - 06/06/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the responses guys, do you think its too late to cover up my location?
I'm good with computers but not with proxys or any of that stuff.
Can someone recommend a proxy thing (i dont even know what that is) that will help HIDE my information? Thanks a lot guys i'm just freaked out
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: HighGuy]
#5721001 - 06/06/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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HighGuy said: I've always wondered how this works, when someone rats a dealer out.
Usually, the rat is someone caught with the dealer's product. The cops offer a deal if they give up Mr. Big.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: shymanta]
#5721867 - 06/07/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or, caught with anyone's product. I assume they'd choose a dealer to rat on that is least likely to kill them in return, etc. Doesn't really matter where the product came from, and i doubt the cops care too much, eh?
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5724963 - 06/07/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've wondered this too as the first post describes. I have been around this site for a while and JUST recently decided to finally sign up on the forums and become more involved in the community. I see many people just blindly posting things and/or saying things that could so easily get you busted. I know for a fact that finding out someone's geographic location (especially in the US, while using US networks for the internet) is not that hard of a task. And to the DEA or other government agencies, I would think it's even a lesser task. ESPECIALLY in the last few months/years, there has been a huge step-up in monitoring of the internet and things people say and communicate about.
I just haven't ever really agreed with the idea of posting information that could EASILY be held against you in the court of law. Posts such as pictures of all these grows people have with a few lines tacked on about how "this is in my closet!" etc. Even though the chances of them coming to this site and starting to bust people are quite low, I would never rule it out. The shroomery.org is a fairly abundant source information on the internet, quite larger than other communities surrounding the subject... just something to think about (to me at least).
Just think about the moment when you hear a beat on the door, you answer it and there is some asshole with a DEA jacket on with a warrant to search your house. Your stomach would drop...
Just my few cents
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: p_dot_cubensis]
#5725019 - 06/07/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the biggest worry would be when your harddrives are scanned *after* the bust, and such growlogs being used against you in court as evidence.
To my knowledge, no one here has ever been busted because of what they've posted. Could it have happened and no one informed the site/users? Sure, of course. But it would still be a unique case, and risk would still be minimal. Of course, cover your ass as best you can. I think anyone posting pictures is well aware of the fact that it is evidence. They either feel secure and safe with their situation, that it is unlikely enough to be worth the risk (most likely not posting multi-pound grows) or that they are unbustable. Those who think they're unbustable will likely find a much easier way to get themselves caught that doesn't involve the internet.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5725061 - 06/07/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Koala Koolio said: To my knowledge, no one here has ever been busted because of what they've posted. Could it have happened and no one informed the site/users? Sure, of course. But it would still be a unique case, and risk would still be minimal. Of course, cover your ass as best you can. I think anyone posting pictures is well aware of the fact that it is evidence. They either feel secure and safe with their situation, that it is unlikely enough to be worth the risk (most likely not posting multi-pound grows) or that they are unbustable. Those who think they're unbustable will likely find a much easier way to get themselves caught that doesn't involve the internet.
True, but who knows what could happen one day. There have been many sites related to many different things out there that went unnoticed and unharrased for several years. It can happen to anyone/anywhere.
I just know that if you operated some big cultivation (of anything) and weren't dumb, you probably wouldn't be posting in a public forum to even lead anyone on about your activities.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5725235 - 06/08/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Koala Koolio said: The informant generally has to have some sort of proof, or they use the tip and come up with the proof later. Like, I believe with your case they used a controlled buy, right?.
I guess you would call it an uncontrolled buy. The last sale/trade went to someone other than the informant. The informant only knew of it. The cops never had any amounts of money or weights for said buys(3). The cops lied alot.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: KaptKid]
#5726270 - 06/08/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So to be smart
I should delete all my shit correct?
This include growlog and pictures
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? *DELETED* [Re: Atheist]
#5726301 - 06/08/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: dr_gonz]
#5726356 - 06/08/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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IMHO, you have nothing to worry about. Maybe if you post pictures of growing rooms full, and talk about how much money you're going to make, yeah, worry. That's asking for trouble. But the DEA/Cops are concerned about impressing their bosses with the "good" work they have done to stop drugs. And if you are just a small time guy, like most of us here, they won't bother. I am an IT pro, and I know all about proxies, and internet monitoring, etc. and I can pretty much guarantee they are watching all of us. I'm sure they are reading all of our emails as well. When I first came to this realization I was a bit freaked out, but then I realized, it's never going to happen. They would not waste the time and energy it takes to bust you just so they can charge you with shroom growing on a small scale. It's just not worth it for them. As long as you keep it small and for personal use, you're all good.
Like others have said. If you start mentioning to local people that's different. Local cops are bored out of their minds and busting you could mean a promotion for them. But the chance that those guys are surfing shroomery looking for people who "might" be in their jurisdiction so they can then try to get a warrant to find out where you live and search your property is slim to none. Just keep to yourself and stay private in your community, and you're cool.
I you want to take extra precaution, install TOR and Privoxy, and make sure your contact information is not on this site.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: dr_gonz]
#5726422 - 06/08/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said: Why do you feel the need to post pictures anyway?
Probably cause he's a nice guy and wants to share his success. We all come here to learn from each other, not to brag about how good at mushroom growing we are. (well maybe some do)
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? *DELETED* [Re: tallgreen]
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Atheist]
#5726605 - 06/08/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's cool. It's not worth the stress if you don't feel comfortable with it. Maybe you could have someone repost your information, or create a new account and post with that. I think we would all hate to lose valuable and unique experiences.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Atheist]
#5726612 - 06/08/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said: Why do you feel the need to post pictures anyway?
Probably cause he's a nice guy and wants to share his success. We all come here to learn from each other, not to brag about how good at mushroom growing we are. (well maybe some do)

I'm going to delete everything anyways.
Better to be safe than sorry.
At least take it out of your signature. Especially because the same sig is offering to sell video games, and will (if anyone wants them) result in giving someone your address if they need to send a payment or trade or whatever.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: KaptKid]
#5726632 - 06/08/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Koala Koolio said: The informant generally has to have some sort of proof, or they use the tip and come up with the proof later. Like, I believe with your case they used a controlled buy, right?.
I guess you would call it an uncontrolled buy. The last sale/trade went to someone other than the informant. The informant only knew of it. The cops never had any amounts of money or weights for said buys(3). The cops lied alot.
Well keep your mouth shut, cause if they have no direct evidence of a sale/trade they can fuck off. sure circumstantial evidence of possession with intent, but without a credible sales witness, they are totaly fucked!!! Trust me Ive been thru it, unfortunatly THe rat wore secret video/audio recorder, and I was totaly fucked. got 1 year of probation left. then im just gonna smoke, and never sell untill the war has been won.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: downlowfunk]
#5727055 - 06/08/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Well keep your mouth shut, cause if they have no direct evidence of a sale/trade they can fuck off. sure circumstantial evidence of possession with intent, but without a credible sales witness, they are totaly fucked!!! Trust me Ive been thru it"
So has he, clearly. Do a search.
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Atheist]
#5727269 - 06/08/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said: Why do you feel the need to post pictures anyway?
Probably cause he's a nice guy and wants to share his success. We all come here to learn from each other, not to brag about how good at mushroom growing we are. (well maybe some do)

I'm going to delete everything anyways.
Better to be safe than sorry.
i learned a lot from growlogs and pictures posted. i wanted to give back. that's what keeps the site going, no? maybe i'm not paranoid enough
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Re: How hard for the DEA to find me? [Re: Atheist]
#7976567 - 02/04/08 05:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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