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iamyour_messiah
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Mycelium not coming through the casing layer?
#5714221 - 06/05/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I posted this in another thread of mine like 2 days ago, but got only one response. Though maybe if I started a fresh thread for it I'd get some more replies...
I'm doing a monotub right now and applied a very thin casing layer (like 1/4" for a 2 or 3" substrate depth) a couple days ago. Since I cant find any vermiculite where I live nor did I have an plain coir or peat on hand at the time, I had to improvise and use a cactus soil mix. Its not really teh same as the cactus mix described on here or mycotopia (Way lit Jim was the guy using it over there...) cause I get the feeling this stuff is much more dense and less airy. Thers no vermiculite in it just really really tiny pebbles to aid in drainage I suppose...maybe a bit of sand. And I believe it's made on the basis of peat and theres some clay in it as well it seems. Anyway since I noticed how fucking heavy this stuff was I figured id do a real thin casing layer which i didn't pat down AT ALL. Just rubbed it between my hands and let it sprinkle over the straw.
WEll problem is now like 5 days later (cant really remember but must be around 5 days) there are about 2 or 3 patches over the whole surface area which are white. I'm afraid maybe the stuff is so dense that its restraining the mycelium from coming through. Is that a possbility? I
If so, might it be a good idea to carefully remove the casing layer?? I'm thinking I could replace it with something less dense which I used on two other mini bulk grows i have going...which is basically some nute free soil with sand and calcum carbonate in it for pH stabilization to which I added in a bit or perlite. Seemed alot fluffier and more forgiving when I applied this to my other grows.
Or would switching casing layers at this point do more harm then good?
thx in advance
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5714374 - 06/05/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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those white patches could be a sign of trich.
be careful.
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: monstermitch]
#5714385 - 06/05/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well that would suck ass wouldn't it....
Though I was actually under the impression it was mycelium, since it was white, and it didnt seem to be contamed before. Lemme see if if I can get some pics of it maybe that'll help.
But lets just say it is mycelium (keeping my fingers crossed), and it's coming through so slowly...not a good idea to get rid of this casing layer and replace it with another one?
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5714412 - 06/05/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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never switched out casings before.
That could very well still be mycelium in response to a trich infection.
If I were you, I would go get the peat and verm and whatnot and do a proper casing.
You might be wasting all of your time, money, and effort because you slacked on casing supplies.
If you don't have a proper casing, just don't use one. supplement with wax paper until you can gather your materials and do it right.
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5714425 - 06/05/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can you take a picture and post it?
Odds are that its mycelium coming through your make shift casing layer.
If you can't post a picture...
What does the white stuff look like?
Can you describe it?
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: Roadkill]
#5714469 - 06/05/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can post a pic, or I should be able too as I've done so many times before...but for some reason my camera is acting up. I take a pic and i can see it on the little LCD screen, but when I put the memory card in my computer it says "no preview available" or smth like that. Imma get this fixed and then post a pic.
As for a description it really just looks like white fuzzy stuff. Not like little cotton balls on the surface, because it doesn't relaly grow up very much, stays really even with the sruface of the casing layer...deffinately not rhizomorphic, but then again the jars I used to spawn this monotub didnt have any rhizomorphic growth either.
I'll return with a picture update soon hopefully, if I cant fix my camera I'll just try and see how good my webcam is...
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5714633 - 06/05/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok I'm back with some pics. They are not all perfectly clear, cause I was sort of sketching out that the lid was off/half off in order to take the pics and I was trying not to breath in the vicinity and work quickly. I took a few shots of the different white areas, as well as a full surface area shot so you can see the distribution of the white stuff...





hope that helps
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5714641 - 06/05/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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mycelium
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: Atheist]
#5714812 - 06/05/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, I see no trich problem there.
when I get casings that colonize unevenly, (not often at all now) I shift the casing material around so that it covers the mycelium and thins out the uncolonized parts.
When using a mono or double tub setup, you should spread the substrate out very evenly. The casing should also be applied evenly. This should actually be done whenever traying or tubing a substrate or casing.
Even distribution of spawn and an even surface will let the mycelium evenly colonize the casing layer.
Looks like you're just uneven there, that is all.
Opening a double or monotub is not recommended, so it is a bit more critical to get things evenly laid.
You seem to be looking okay except for that uneven colonization.
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5714978 - 06/05/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm well the thing is, the spawn and straw was laid out/mixed very evenly, i had some weight spread out evenly on top of the bulk while it was colonizing so that it was compeltely flat and all that.....and then when I applied my casing layer i did that as evenly as possible. Either was its only like 1/4" so it shouldnt make that much difference. I was thinking maybe the particles of soil just landed in a less compacted way in some areas allowing the mycelium easier passage...
Say I dont do anything and just let most of the surface colonize (cause at the beginning of the post i said I had like 2 or 3 white spots....but when I took those pics today I saw a couple more spots and really really thin mycelium coming through in other areas...) what would happen? Will the mycelum grow too thick in the areas where it appeared first causing overlay in those places, or will it just stop growing and wait for the rest of the places to catch up?
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5715020 - 06/05/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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at the point you are at now, I would introduce fruiting conditions.
personally I would cover the spots of mycelium with other parts of the casing, trying to even it out a bit. well, being in a tub such as it is, I might have just left it. I don't like opening up the tub, your humidity will depend on it being closed. having had your tub open, you shouldl check your casing and make sure it is nearly saturated. Glistening.
so, if this was my tub, I would even out the casing to try to make an even casing colonization very carefully. Mist the casing until it glistened. Close up the tub. Hope for a good pinset. Open only to harvest.
Having laid everything out so evenly, I would guess you spawn was not evenly mixed into your straw. Or if you have several substrains like with a multi-spore spawn jar you could just have more agressive substrains.
I'm willing to bet though that a smarter person than I has a better idea. Gather more input before opening that tub up again.
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: monstermitch]
#5718370 - 06/06/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anybody else besides monstermitch have any thoughs on this? The idea of moving over some of the casing from the uncolonized parts to the colonized parts didnt sound too crazy at all.
Just checking though, before I actually open it up and go fucking around with it. Though maybe there are some better solutions going through other ppls heads..?
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5718379 - 06/06/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dude thats what u have to do 
was ur hands too (BEFORE)
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5718393 - 06/06/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol ya I'll wash them after when I think my hands are all dirty with icky soil :P
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5718407 - 06/06/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ya but wash them before too
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: Atheist]
#5718411 - 06/06/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: monstermitch]
#5718477 - 06/06/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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True that, I've seen that thread before. Honestly, I try not to make my life all too complicated tho. Never did anything more than wash my hands before doing any of this "sterile" work. Never used gloves or face masks...dont even have any disinfectant spray in my house. Had alot of fun rubbing the grains between my hands when spwaning my monotub :P
But that all doesnt matter in this case. No need for contact with my hands ...I think I'll just slide the lid over a bit so there a crack for my hands to get in through, and then ill gently scrape some of that soil to the side with a clean fork.
im keeping my fingers crossed this works. I would hate to not get ANY shrooms from this mono tub after all this time...
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: iamyour_messiah]
#5718483 - 06/06/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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iamyour_messiah said: Anybody else besides monstermitch have any thoughs on this? The idea of moving over some of the casing from the uncolonized parts to the colonized parts didnt sound too crazy at all.
Just checking though, before I actually open it up and go fucking around with it. Though maybe there are some better solutions going through other ppls heads..?
i agree with monstermitch
if its coming up in some spots it will soon come up in others. either move some casing around or patch the spots that came up early with fresh clean casing material so the rest can catch up and you'll be good.
mycelium eats through the casing layer rapidly when there's food in it (like with coir based casing) but not so quick or complete when there's no nutes (like if you were to case with plain verm for example)... but it still certainly works. the main purpose of your casing is to keep the surface moist/humid without actually having moisture ON the mycelium to encourage pin development. so i doubt there's a problem with your casing mixture, probably not optimal but i'm almost garunteeing it works fine... i have gotten away with some rather unconventional casings out of laziness. (like stealing handfuls of dirt from potted plants and still getting decent pinsets ) when its time i bet you'll see pins squeak through suddenly in places you aren't expecting, as long as its still "crumbly" and not matted and a little light can get down through the cracks and crevices the pins will come, so don't do anything drastic like try to change the casing at this point in the game, its gonna be ok.
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Re: Mycelium not coming through the casing layer? [Re: creamcorn]
#5722716 - 06/07/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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its been a few days since this post started and was just wondering if that was trich mycelium like it looks in the pics.
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