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overlay? or not?
    #5713948 - 06/05/06 04:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

its my first time casing...actually using bulk...
popcorn-with straw...
and i think i might have initiated pinning too late...
what do u guys think?
what can i do now?



thnx for the replies


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: volkds]
    #5713957 - 06/05/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Massive overlay... Scratch up the surface with a sterilized fork, remove what you scrape off.

Otherwise you might try casing it with 50/50. You say it's your first time casing, but it doesn't look like you've cased it with anything. I think you're just growing on straw. Casing means you put a layer of non-nutritional material over your substrate.


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: fastfred]
    #5713967 - 06/05/06 05:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

..yeah i kno man....it was just a wrong choice of words...
its popcorn with straw...

scratch..then just put a layer of 50/50 mix..verm /coco?
or what?
in my country we can opnly get the stringy coco
can i just put a thin layer of chopped up straw over...
does the substrate need to go in the incubator if i put the case on?


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: fastfred]
    #5713970 - 06/05/06 05:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

im against scratching the surface. don't do that!! that would fruit as is. thats not overlay you have just colonized the straw

although if you actually case with verm coir you will get a great flush


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5713979 - 06/05/06 05:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

DO NOT SCRATCH THE SURFACE...... YOU WILL GIVE YOURSELF A CONTAM.... JUST CASE IT!!!!!


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5713981 - 06/05/06 05:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> scratch..then just put a layer of 50/50 mix..verm /coco? or what?

50/50 is verm/peat moss

Putting another layer of straw on it might do the trick, but I would suggest actually casing it by putting a layer of 50/50 on top. If you are going to case or add another layer you can scratch, but you don't necessarily need to.

> does the substrate need to go in the incubator if i put the case on?

You could incubate it or just leave it in your fruiting chamber. If you leave it in the FC it will take a little bit longer to colonize the casing. But if you incubate it you run the risk of getting overlay again. I would say it depends on how thick you want to case it. If you want to case with an inch or more I would incubate for 1-3 days. If you just want to add a thin layer I would not incubate.

> im against scratching the surface. don't do that!!

It will probably fruit without scratching, but the pinset will be weak. If you scratch it will probably take an extra day or two, but the pinset will be good. So if you really want fast results I wouldn't scratch, but if you want good yield I would scratch it. Since it looks like this probably isn't one of his first grows I would scratch it. It's all a matter of opinion, but you WILL get better results by scratching and/or casing.


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5713982 - 06/05/06 05:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

k m8...
case with coco/verm?
if i cant get the fine coco
can i use the stringy one?
can i just use a blender to get it to a fine powder?


edit
peat moss? that's soil isnt it?
im not very good at english...
but ill figure it out :wink:
so 50 verm 50 peat moss?


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5713983 - 06/05/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

look for casing teks in the facts. after you case.... put in fruiting chamber. wait till you see spots 3 days later. then cover those spots with fresh casing mix then 2 days after that initiate fruiting with light air whatever.

next time chop ur straw up to 1 to 3 inch pieces. it will colonize faster and you won't have it all stickin out like that. (it will get contams)


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: fastfred]
    #5713985 - 06/05/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Another note... It will probably produce some fruit if you do nothing, but not always. Sometimes and/or with some strains the overlay causes it to produce nothing at all. I've seen it happen.

I've also seen a pan that large produce only 10 or so pins because of overlay. That would be a pretty big disappointment for me since you could easily get double that off a 1/2 pint cake.


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The difference between the substances doesn't matter. This is a war on consciousness, on our right to the very essence of what we are. With no control over that, we have no need to speak of freedom or a free society. -fireseed

"If we are going to have a war on marijuana, the least we can do is pull the sick and the dying off the battlefield." -Neal Levine (MPP)

I find the whole "my drug should be legal but yours should be illegal" mindset disgusting and hypocritical. It's what George Bush and company do when they drink a cocktail and debate the best way to imprison marijuana users. -Diploid


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5713987 - 06/05/06 05:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

this is all messed up... i edit u post..hehe
scratch..than i will just put a thin layer of 50/50 on it ...u think this will be good?
...how much water to the 50/50 mix?
none?
just spray? or what?
sorry bout all the questions...


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: volkds]
    #5713989 - 06/05/06 05:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hey fast fred why are you calling that overlay? and why are u telling this young shroomerite to scratch?


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: fastfred]
    #5713994 - 06/05/06 05:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> case with coco/verm?
> if i cant get the fine coco
> can i use the stringy one?
> can i just use a blender to get it to a fine powder?

I've never used coco so I couldn't tell you. 50/50 works good, 50/50+ (gypsum or oyster shell added) also works good, so does straight verm.

> peat moss? that's soil isnt it?

It's like soil, but it's a little different.  Kind of hard to explain simply, but it's sold at gardening stores.

> im not very good at english...

You're better than most of the native english speakers here. :smile:

> so 50 verm 50 peat moss?

I'd use that or straight verm.


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"If we are going to have a war on marijuana, the least we can do is pull the sick and the dying off the battlefield." -Neal Levine (MPP)

I find the whole "my drug should be legal but yours should be illegal" mindset disgusting and hypocritical. It's what George Bush and company do when they drink a cocktail and debate the best way to imprison marijuana users. -Diploid


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: fastfred]
    #5714006 - 06/05/06 05:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> hey fast fred why are you calling that overlay? and why are u telling this young shroomerite to scratch?

I guess I just assumed that there was a casing layer and the straw was just sticking through it. He said it was his first time casing, so I assumed there was a casing layer.

If you don't have a casing layer scratching will do no good. Scratching would only reveal more of the same. You can just leave it be or case it. Casing will produce better results IMO though.

How long has it been in the FC? If it's been more than 3-4 days I would leave it be. Otherwise case it.


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The difference between the substances doesn't matter. This is a war on consciousness, on our right to the very essence of what we are. With no control over that, we have no need to speak of freedom or a free society. -fireseed

"If we are going to have a war on marijuana, the least we can do is pull the sick and the dying off the battlefield." -Neal Levine (MPP)

I find the whole "my drug should be legal but yours should be illegal" mindset disgusting and hypocritical. It's what George Bush and company do when they drink a cocktail and debate the best way to imprison marijuana users. -Diploid


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: fastfred]
    #5714009 - 06/05/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

THANK YOU. THANK YOU... THANK YOU........


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5714011 - 06/05/06 05:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hopefully he will read ur post instead of mine since hes actually listening to you. DON'T SCRATCH!!~!!!


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5714015 - 06/05/06 05:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

k m8...wint scratch...
will case...
its in there bout a week...
ill case anyway :wink:
thnx guys for all the good info...

i got one q more...
anybody growing azures?
im searching for some1 who would be willing to send me a print...
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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: volkds]
    #5714020 - 06/05/06 05:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If it's been in there a week I would just leave it be. Upon close inspection it looks like it's pretty close to pinning.


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The difference between the substances doesn't matter. This is a war on consciousness, on our right to the very essence of what we are. With no control over that, we have no need to speak of freedom or a free society. -fireseed

"If we are going to have a war on marijuana, the least we can do is pull the sick and the dying off the battlefield." -Neal Levine (MPP)

I find the whole "my drug should be legal but yours should be illegal" mindset disgusting and hypocritical. It's what George Bush and company do when they drink a cocktail and debate the best way to imprison marijuana users. -Diploid


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: fastfred]
    #5714079 - 06/05/06 06:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ah...fuck it...i'll just leave it then...if it pins ok, if it dosent...i'll case and try again-...lol


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: volkds]
    #5714119 - 06/05/06 07:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

no no no no fastfred i am sorry but you rare giving WRONG INFORMATION!!

if there is no casing it CANNOT be overlayed!! overlay applies to
casings ONLY!!

do not scratch DO NOT SCRATCH

hang on a second and i will get you the correct steps to take just
wanted to stop you from scratching


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: BPJohnny]
    #5714125 - 06/05/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Next time you use straw, you want a much larger container. Straw is a good substrate, but being hollow, there isn't much there. I like at least 6 to 10cm thickness. In my experience, straw does just as well uncased as cased.
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    #5714128 - 06/05/06 07:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: BPJohnny]
    #5714150 - 06/05/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

BPJohnny said:
no no no no fastfred i am sorry but you rare giving WRONG INFORMATION!!

if there is no casing it CANNOT be overlayed!! overlay applies to
casings ONLY!!




Don't be sorry, I WAS giving wrong information. It's not because I don't know what I'm talking about though. I understand that non-cased substrates don't get overlay.

In his inital post he said that it was his first time casing... So I assumed that there was a casing layer under the myc and the straw was just poking through. Looking at the pics a second time, it looks like there is no casing layer so I revised my advice.


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The difference between the substances doesn't matter. This is a war on consciousness, on our right to the very essence of what we are. With no control over that, we have no need to speak of freedom or a free society. -fireseed

"If we are going to have a war on marijuana, the least we can do is pull the sick and the dying off the battlefield." -Neal Levine (MPP)

I find the whole "my drug should be legal but yours should be illegal" mindset disgusting and hypocritical. It's what George Bush and company do when they drink a cocktail and debate the best way to imprison marijuana users. -Diploid


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: fastfred]
    #5714164 - 06/05/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ah yes i do see that you changed once you saw that he really doesn't

have a casing. i didn't read all the posts i just saw he didn't have a
casing and saw scratch and just skipped all the rest to post asap lol


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: BPJohnny]
    #5714312 - 06/05/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hello Volkds  :smile:

I wouldn't put a casing layer on top neither, just let it fruit...

I dont use any casing layer with my horse shit :wink:

LP zomba


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Re: overlay? or not? [Re: strengthener]
    #5717411 - 06/05/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ok guys...will leave it in there...as it is....but its not only straw...
there bout 750g of popcorn in there....
thnx for all the opinions...
ill post some fruiting pics...when they fruit ...
thnx again


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