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My first WBS
    #5710846 - 06/04/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hello everyone, as some of you might know I have been studying using the PF-TEK and I always have people telling my that casing is just as easy so I am going to give it a try. Any newbies out there, If I can do this you surely will be able too(lol). I just pc`ed my jars(2 pint jars) and took them out while still hot and shook like it says in all of the WBS teks. I get a little confused as to which is cased and uncased. I bought my coir and as always with this study I have vermiculite. I am using a 11in by 9in, 2in depth tray. I do not have my hpoo yet, but I found a supply just waiting for the guy to gather it up(I offered to do it but one of his horses is a little on the mean side, it kicked his kid and broke his arm). If anyone has any tips that might not be in the teks it would be appreciated, other than that wish me luck. DPJohnny I am doing this mostly because of you, so if I fail then it your fault(lol)(jk jk) Thanks in advance for any help. and you all have a good day


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Re: My first WBS [Re: kilroy]
    #5710898 - 06/04/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Check this one out if you have not already,
Coir as substrate.


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Re: My first WBS [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5710915 - 06/04/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

2in depth will be a little shy if using a casing as well.

If you can, try to get like 3 or 4 for optimal results.

what are you confused about as far as cased or uncased?


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Re: My first WBS [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5710936 - 06/04/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have seen that one and like it alot and I respect your advice very much snaggletooth, I have read many of your post. I was thinking alayer of vermiculite then spawn and then and this is where I get messed up just coir alone or a coir verm mix, what do you think, or can I just forgo the first layer of verm. I know this is where I get messed up about cased and uncased. I do not have any peat yet and I am alittle nervouse about messing with the ph that everyone seems to talk about when doing those.


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Re: My first WBS [Re: kilroy]
    #5710960 - 06/04/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A bottom layer of vermiculite is not that important, some dont.

I would mix the coco coir and vermiculite together, add the correct moister. Then mix the spawn into it. As even as you can, not all clumpy.

For the casing layer, if you choose to use one, you dont have too, but suggested keep it simple if you cant get peat, vermiculite/coir.


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Re: My first WBS [Re: kilroy]
    #5710975 - 06/04/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You'll have to decide if you are going to use a "bulk" substrate or not.

coir will work as a bulk substrate for sure, but is not as good as h/poo.

for bulk you will take your wbs jars that are colonized and mix them with some pateurized h/poo or coir.

place this mix in your tray and cover it with plastic wrap.
poke some tiny holes in the plastic wrap for gas exchange.
put some lightly crumpled foil over the plastic wrap and crimp around edges.
re-incubate this at around 77-80 degrees tops until it is colonized.

after the tray colonizes, add a layer of pasteurized casing.
re-incubate until the mycelium starts to show.
place in fruiting chamber.

as for parameters and technique for casing, I suggest to read hypae's pinning strategy.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3290155/an/0/page/0

so for bulk:

wbs and poo mixed and put in tray, leaving 3/4 open at top.
incubated and colonized
casing layer added
incubated till myc. pokes through
placed in fruiting conditions
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Re: My first WBS [Re: monstermitch]
    #5711081 - 06/04/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I can`t wait to get my hpoo(well I guess I have to wait)(lol), from all of the things I have read, that is the way to go for studys. I think I will not case for now, just try one thing at a time and then I can help others out just like you guys help me. I will case when I get this tek down. I respect both of you, I have seen you guys help alot of people and I have read many of your useful post and replies. I am honered to get advice from some of the top cream on this board but that is why I come here as well. Thanks for also showing me the difference of casing and noncase, you might not have realized you did it but now I understand it alot more.


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Re: My first WBS [Re: kilroy]
    #5711113 - 06/04/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm glad to see your going to do the poo! Okay with the whole peat ph
thing thing I have had some confusion on that as well but I talked to
blue Helix about that and i have posted here:


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5707457

good luck on the bulk! its okay not to case you should still get pretty
good results, its just like a giant cake of poo!


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Re: My first WBS [Re: kilroy]
    #5711119 - 06/04/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If you sprinkle a very thin layer of wet vermiculite on the top surface of your colonized substrate it will help create a better micro-climate for pins to form. It's not a true casing layer and wont help deliver much water to your fruits. But you don't have to worry about pH and overlay or pasteurization which, to me, are some of the more difficult aspects of casing.


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Re: My first WBS [Re: musher_420]
    #5711130 - 06/04/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if you follow hyphae's pinning advice,
and blue helix's casing advice,

I would think that it shouldn't be too difficult and your results should be great.

those are two great mycological minds there.
their wisdom is excellent.


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Re: My first WBS [Re: monstermitch]
    #5711509 - 06/04/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

DPJohnny I thank you for the link it helped explain the ph with peat. I thank you all for all of the wonderful advice. I am going to wbs and case 60/40 coir verm method, looks like the easiest to try for my first time and then when my poo gets here, thats when the fun really starts(lol). You guys are the greatest and I will remember all who have helped me here with this(you will see). You guys are the best source of info on this wonderful hobby of ours and it is nice to be part of it too.


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Re: My first WBS [Re: kilroy]
    #5711519 - 06/04/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

for your first try:

use 30% coir and 70% vermiculite.
or 40/60 verm/coir.

or do some side by side.

you have to watch your timing with coir and pull it a bit early.
coir can be tricky in a casing.


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Re: My first WBS [Re: monstermitch]
    #5711537 - 06/04/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

sorry I put those backwards. I will try both and see what happens and post the results. What do you mean by pull it, pull in from the incubator? I saw on the one post about it wants to overlay abit more than others


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Re: My first WBS [Re: kilroy]
    #5711559 - 06/04/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I mean pull it out of the incubation process and put it into the fruiting environment early.

With coir, I would fruit the second I saw a bit of mycelium poke through the surface.
If you are not careful, the coir casing will colonize before fruiting rendering it useless and just an addition to the substrate now.

I use a peat based casing for cubes a la 50/50 and during fruiting my casing layer is not even close to white, it is the color of the casing.

the mycelium should colonize the bottom layer of the casing and fruit from there with primordia poking up through the top uncolonized layer. That's just how I understand it.


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