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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Basilides]
    #5713016 - 06/04/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

FWIW, I don't see a thing wrong with it. If they want to get legally married, I say let 'em!  :mad2:


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Le_Canard]
    #5713873 - 06/05/06 02:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have a personal opinion and a legal opinion when it comes to gay marriage.

My personal opinion is that I really don't give a shit if gay people get married.

My legal opinion is that the Constitution does not give the federal government the right to intrude upon the realm of marriage at all. The Christians want the federal government to ban gay marriage nationally. The gays and their supporters want the federal government to condone gay marriage nationally. I assert that the federal government do neither and leave it to the states. Marriage is and has always been a state matter.


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5713915 - 06/05/06 04:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like Bush needs to come outa the closet and embrace the source of his homophobia... he might learn a thing or two about himself.

Banning same sex marriage is discrimination, pure and simple. Paint it with whatever pretty colors you want, it is still discrimination.

Don't give me the "honored and sacred institution between a man and a woman under God" crap... nobody cares when atheist couples get married.

The homosexual marriage debate sure does create a lot of noise in the media. I wonder what Bush and company don't want us paying attention to right now...


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Seuss]
    #5713926 - 06/05/06 04:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's hilarious how the Christians try to use the argument that if homosexual marriage is allowed...then what next? Bestiality marriage? etc.. etc..

They just don't want to come out and say the blatant truth; they don't like homosexuality and they don't want it to be legally condoned.


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Basilides]
    #5713995 - 06/05/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Basilides said:
I don't see why potentially condoning homosexuality can even be a bad thing. Gays want to get married because they want to be 100% equal to the majority. Exactly what is wrong with that?




not saying anything is wrong. just stating the political problem is with politicians appearing to condone it, which may lose votes.


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5714231 - 06/05/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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My legal opinion is that the Constitution does not give the federal government the right to intrude upon the realm of marriage at all. The Christians want the federal government to ban gay marriage nationally. The gays and their supporters want the federal government to condone gay marriage nationally. I assert that the federal government do neither and leave it to the states. Marriage is and has always been a state matter.




The problem is that the gov't does have their hands in the marriage business. Since this is the case, it is unconstitutional for the gov't to allow heterosexual marriages, but not homosexual ones.


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Redstorm]
    #5714300 - 06/05/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
The problem is that the gov't does have their hands in the marriage business. Since this is the case, it is unconstitutional for the gov't to allow heterosexual marriages, but not homosexual ones.




How does the federal government have its hand in marriage? All of the paperwork and authorizations come through local and state governments.


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5714398 - 06/05/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the topic of this entire thread implies a federal hand in these very matters. Regardless of theory, federal law trumps state law. not saying thats right either, just the way the world works.


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: kotik]
    #5714444 - 06/05/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Where there are conflicts of law, the U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land because it was created first by the sovereign people. 

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding."
--Article VI, United States Constitution




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Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.




It doesn't say anything in there about "unless said citizen is homosexual."  :grin:  Maybe Bush should have someone read the Constitution to him.  If he thinks that amending the consitution in order to limit the rights of certain citizens is in any way appropriate, then he does not understand the principles upon which this country was founded.


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Veritas]
    #5714609 - 06/05/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe Bush should have someone read the Constitution to him.



"It's just a piece of paper!" -- George W. Bush


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Silversoul]
    #5714693 - 06/05/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So is a marriage license. :grin:


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Diploid]
    #5714830 - 06/05/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the good news is that the amendment itself wont even come close to getting a 2/3 majority in congress...the bad newses are that ..a) it might serve to fuel alot of nascent homophobia..in turn leading to a slew of statewise anti-gay legislation.. and b) this is a diversionary cultural red-herring ("fuck the economy..they want to let zappa suck a penis!!")...

it is also worth pointing out that as the religious right is bashing gays..the secular corporatist right has been bashing straights too..being all to happy to give so much free publicity to catherine mckinnon&co on the one hand.. while leaning heavily on anti-male advertizing on the other...as a result..straight men prolly face more legal discrimination than gays of either gender...

pushing aside the electoral red-herring aspects of this issue (which not to downplay the tragedy if it works)..it is not about gay vs straight..but rather two sides of the same puritanist coin...how long will it be before the neocons demand that i dont stick my hand up my skirt..and draught whatever constitutional amendment is necessary to make that possible??...


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5715061 - 06/05/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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President George W. Bush on Saturday urged the Senate to pass a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage




Translation = Chew on this america, leave my war alone. And oh yeah, vote republican!


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Diploid]
    #5715507 - 06/05/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What a weak and petty president to be doing this. I don't even think George W. Bush is even a christian. He would have no voter base without his religious right. I think he's posing as a christian for the votes. And right now he's losing support so he pulls back out the same gay ban to refuel his dying presidency.


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: stantonfreedom]
    #5715579 - 06/05/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hey if the gays wanna ruin their lives with marriage go for it then we won't even have to worry about them having sex lol


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: Le_Canard]
    #5715618 - 06/05/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
Having solved all other problems, George turns to this pressing issue.  :rolleyes:




lolol rotfl


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Re: Bush Pushes Gay Marriage Ban [Re: ShroominFL]
    #5715655 - 06/05/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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