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soulcircus
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#5710516 - 06/04/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DistortedEyes
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Re: Krishna and the Chakram [Re: soulcircus]
#5710527 - 06/04/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, let's go and crush some skulls.
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fresh313
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i think that krishna story , the bhagavad gita, wasnt really about a battle it was just a way of describing an internal struggle
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Sinbad
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Re: Krishna and the Chakram [Re: soulcircus]
#5710599 - 06/04/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Umm no, they were very different.
Krishna is refered to as the Supreme Lord, who taught that worship of him as the ONLY means of liberation. Devotees worship him in hope of attaining liberation from material existence.
The Buddha however was not a God, and did not teach any kind of worship as a means to liberation. He taught the four noble truths and the eight fold path as the means to liberation from cyclic existence.
He also taught the twelve links of dependant orignination which indirectly refutes any concept of God as a divine creator being.
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Edited by Sinbad (06/04/06 10:14 AM)
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dblaney
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Re: Krishna and the Chakram [Re: fresh313]
#5710609 - 06/04/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I interpret the Gita to be about the internal struggle to reign in control of the senses and to still the mind. It also talks about many things, and one potential interpretation is indeed that violence is sometimes warranted.
Even noble Bodhisattvas are not entirely non-violent beings. However, if one was to use violence, they would use it only as a result of forbearance and compassion, not anger and hatred as most others would.
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Re: Krishna and the Chakram [Re: soulcircus]
#5710622 - 06/04/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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soulcircus said: Why was it that Krishna an enlightened being, fought people physically, whilst Buddha an enlightened being was non violent, yet effectivly they were the same people.
Does spirituality (teachings) ever justify physical conflict?
How do hunters justify to themselfs killing animals? 1. they are another species, and they need something from them, that is the way of nature 2. they do it for the good of the ecosystem (control of food chain)
same is with gods
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Sinbad
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Re: Krishna and the Chakram [Re: dblaney]
#5710634 - 06/04/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dblaney said: Yeah I interpret the Gita to be about the internal struggle to reign in control of the senses and to still the mind. It also talks about many things, and one potential interpretation is indeed that violence is sometimes warranted.
Just to say, Krishna Conciousness devtotees would consider you to be a total rascal for having this POV. 
From the POV of Krishna Conciosuness Movement, any action done in devotional service of Krishna becomes a means of liberation. To me, this seems like a very dangerous philosophy.
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Edited by Sinbad (06/04/06 10:27 AM)
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redgreenvines
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internal struggle the hindu pantheon is always portrayed like cartoon characters this should be a clue don't let bollywood confuse you too much
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