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Voices - A Bad Thing?
    #5710236 - 06/04/06 03:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The other night I had a hugely insane night.

Me and my friend started off drinking vodka and red bull. I put some dried shrooms in some straight lemon juice and we drank that too.
When we got to my friends house, I found a stack of mushrooms growing right outside his house! So we cut them up and made some tea, then drank more.

We walked in the rain to the going-away party we were going to.
The rain felt sooo good, the feeling of moistness was quite lovely to my fingers.
I started talking about the serpents that were with me..

Once we got to my friends house things started to get crazier again, they had Howl's moving castle on in the background and it was freakin me out a bit, shapes were moving and there were colours and .. i don't even know.

I started skippin the "mix-drink" thing and drinkin vodka straight from the bottle.. then moved onto jagermeister and then mezcal (with a shroom in it).

My friend wanted to eat a few shrooms, so we walked up the road to some church and ate some... then i started to hear some crazy voices.. and i was talkin in a crazy voice and like.. there were like two people talking and agreeing and disagreeing and stuff... i started freakin peoplke out a bit.. then i lied down in the greass and chatted away for a while.
I was feeling paranoid all night that people around me didn't know what was going on (in the world) and yeah.. i don't even know..

I felt incredible bonds with people.. but at the same time immense sadness... i was at a state of realization and awareness my pupils filled my whole eyes..


On my walk home, my friends wouldn't leave me alone even though i wanted them to go home and be comfortable, and i wanted to go home and be comfortable. The next day my friend said i was acting crazy as shit... going from nearly crying to extreme anger in a blink.


Is this usual for people? Did i fuck up somewhere? The next day i woke up still feeling insane, and still hearing a voice arguing away.
It's all gone now.... but i dunno if i should even drink again let alone other things!!!


Am i nuts?


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #5710261 - 06/04/06 03:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I suggest you lay off of all mind altering substances for a few weeks.This will give you time to decipher what all that meant.

Your not crazy.Your friends propbably over exagerated when they were explaining the night before to you.

Alcohol and mushrooms are a bad mixture.Try and keep the mushrooms by themselves or maybe with a little weed.

Take a break from shit,think about the experience you had and what you can learn from it.


The voice you heard was probably your own.Just "inner chatter".Your brain arguning points over,like "should you do that or shouldnt you" or "her name was rachel,no it was robin"..That sorta stuff.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #5710264 - 06/04/06 03:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hmnn.. well i dont know exactly if its a BAD thing, you were tripping. The first time i did shrooms , i was left alone 20 minutes after my trip started and i kept on hearing conversations that i wasnt invovled in. Laughter and bantering jokes and what not ( I was in fact home alone). But i agree with the above post. It seems like it was a bit intense for you and you should lay of the shrooms of a bit and just ponder the experience.

And yes... i second the alcohol/shroom mixture to be a bad idea.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: Rhysaboveit]
    #5710274 - 06/04/06 03:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A third for "mixing alcohol and hallucinogens is a bad idea" here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - you were tripping, after all. But I do intuitively feel like aural hallucinations come from a different part of the mind than other aspects of the trip do, and it's not a part that you want to be fucking with too much.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: Zorodius]
    #5710289 - 06/04/06 04:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah - alcohol and shrooms = bad idea.. i learnt that the first time.. but for some reason did it a second time.

I'm just pissed off.. coz the friends that were with me at the time - 2 are really judgemental - and i don't like being judged the way they woulda been.

Everyone seems to be talkin about how i'm a "stoner" and drop out and all this bullshit now.

I am 19 - I am studying Liberal Arts, I have a job, a girlfriend, a family.
I am a clean person and I think about a lot of stuff.
I get stoned maybe once a month/every 2 months (ie. not often at all) mushrooms are new and intrigue me for their perspective shifting ways.

Drinking is just what teenagers do.

People are judging me coz they don't know things - The only time I see my friends now days is when we're at wild parties.... what do they expect me to do at parties? Fucking twiddle my thumbs?!

Does anyone else have this problem? Friends being bullshit... friends judging you - putting you down - thinking about you in a bad light so they can place themselves a little higher????


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #5710310 - 06/04/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yep dude ive had this problem all my life, its funny now tho, because it seems after i give something up, it becomes fashionable to thoes who were against it years before.

now ive changed the way i do things, i do different things with different mates, and i know this might not fit with the way u use mushrooms but i recommend not taking them with your friends, people that ur friends with normally are different people when tripping, and so are u.
i would make a trip a solitary activity, then you can control what you want to do and when you want to do it.
i do agree that it is good to have someone else tripping with you sometimes but i think being alone is a much better experience.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: moshroom]
    #5710325 - 06/04/06 05:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah - when there's things for you to read, things to look at, a pen, some paper, music, a bed and somewhere to sit (and perhaps your cat/dog).. that would be comfortable.. having someone with you would put you on similar understanding basis...

Then comes the dillema.... should other people know about this? If they were to find out - would they think even less of you again?
Is it wrong to not tell people something... especially if they ask about it?


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #5710350 - 06/04/06 06:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm, Sub-Sociopsynosis.. Thats like the Genovese effect. The latter is also the name of a good band on myspace. They are just gettin started though.


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    #5710359 - 06/04/06 06:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: EternalEden]
    #5711974 - 06/04/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you already know this but i'll reemphasize...

alcohol + mushrooms = bad.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: kake]
    #5712019 - 06/04/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

on my frist trip i was alone the whole time. about 3 hours into the trip i fell into a trance where i had a 45 minute blackout. a male voice, probably about 40-50 years old, was speaking to me of CRAZY things that my mind could normally never comprehend. i remember the voice talking (out loud. it seemed VERY real.) and i was answering/asking it questions.
very weird shit.
all of the sudden i realized i was talking to someone sitting next to me that didn't exist and the voice stopped immediately and i could not remember a DAMN thing we talked about. i know it had to do with life and death though, and i've never felt the same since the trip.
i feel like i may have stored this conversation SOMEWHERE in my memory because ever since that day, i feel like i know something most people don't know.
awakening from this trance-like state *almost like i was daydreaming REALLY hard*, i felt the most spiritual calm and understanding i have EVER felt. i could only call it the most perfect, unadulterated euphoria. it is the closest i have ever felt to God. i know it wasn't inner monologue because i could tell it was comming from an outside source.
anyone else heard this voice?


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: kake]
    #5712030 - 06/04/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

voices are a good thing
you was in the spirit world talkin' to ghosts n stuff
but you didn't recognize them cuz you wuz drunk
quit the booze and eat hella shrooms


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5712049 - 06/04/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

SunshineDaydream

I've heard a voice before, outloud
It sounded like a trumpet blast
And as it hit me the words rushed into my soul
Filled with deep life changing meaning

But, usually when people talk about spiritual discourse or communion, it's more of a telepathic thing, and YES, it's usually a discourse of Questions & Answers.

The mind can basically answer any question it poses itself, as long at the consciousnessness is AtOne.
Is when people achieve what is called "Knowledge and Conversation with the Holy Gaurdian Angel"


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5712063 - 06/04/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

then i feel pretty blessed to have had such an experience. especially my first time out.
you describe it well.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #5712085 - 06/04/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Although many people would consider it newage mumbojumbo, from what I've read it seems like you were probably talking to a spirit guide or guardian angel of sorts, just a spirit there to help you out.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5712646 - 06/04/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

oh i believe it.
the presence was so real.
even more real then a real person.
i could almost see them in the corner of my vision...or could i?!


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #5713056 - 06/04/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If it is not a spirit guide etc, what do you think it might be?

Im more interested in why these voices can teach you things if they are indeed a natural biproduct of psychedelic cognition.
It makes more sense to me to avoid calling them angels, and instead I try to undestand the science involved.
I dont think calling them angels, the unmoved mover, or spirit guide is all that far fetched, because what they offer you can be beyond your own abilities.
So if it is something that could be defined in any way, what do you think it is, and why do they appear to be far smarter than ourselves. The kind of an entity that can help you organize thoughts, and even can get rid of anxiety and physical discomfort.
I have my theories, and id like to hear yours.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: stemmer]
    #5714109 - 06/05/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Whoa - I want that - not what I had.

I had psychotic talk - I felt like a deep anger was arising up out of me to take over for a little while. I didn't want to be near people, and i felt deep pain for them because they didn't realize..

They didn't realize that we're all stuck in this rut in life - controlled by substances, governments and other sources.... i was talking about the control that everything has over our physical selfs, but that our spiritual selves are our own to do whatever we want with.

Escaping is what I need, but I need help. And at the same time, I need to make sure to look after my self in this world, work towards my goals, get into university, change things..

It's kind of weird, you feel totally detached, but you have to stay... you feel like you know what's going on, but you have to try and fix it..


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #5714320 - 06/05/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Get some different friends to trip with. Or make them understand that tripping isn't about judging one another, I hate being around people who oppose you and your actions, its better to be around people who feed off your trip, and you feed off theirs, none of this fucking clashing, People supporting you or just going along with what you have to offer is just way better than someone who is trying to control you in some way, real trippers know this,

As far as the voices are concerned, whether it was a super natural occurrence or an explainable scientific phenomenon, this is something I've never encountered, I have had auditory hallucinations in which I could here events taking place but nothing there; but not an actual voice. This is defiantly something I think is unique, is this voice sound nice or bad, is it trying to teach or trying to confuse, do you feel comforted or attacked. I'd defiantly looking to see this in my trips because that would be mind blowing.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #5714372 - 06/05/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's truly remarkable friend, my first experience did the exact same thing to me. Althought I didn't have blackout (except the next day, I stupidly took 8 grams..had a death in and out blackouttrip with my Christian Father, who is a preacher no less...but has experimented with such things before he was a Christian)

...but yes...the voices were around the room, the T.V., the posters (rober De Niro) Clint Eastwood on the T.V...but mostly the God in me...told me how people think, why people do the things they do...what death will be like for everyone....It was truly a remarkable experience.

I'd rather trip with friends these days, as I've done them 10 more times...8 of which with close buddies. I'd rather talk about interesting shit, and experience new places to trip...I couldn't do that alone at my age, my ungrown body..mabye ungrown mind as I've yet to fall in love.

Tripping with people makes the voices in my head less intense..almost handleble..whether there good or just plain werid...I like to make others laugh about it..so I just laugh laugh laugh, come up with jokes...sometimes heavy ones that trip them out..but get them smiling.

I feel though, that because I've had two heavy experiences alone in my bedroom with the mushroom...tripping with others, knowing what the shroom could potentially do to them if they were alone, I make sure my experience with them is enjoyable..cause I don't think about myself, and care that my world can get insane or sometimes just to amazing that only death could make it real...but it's the mushrooms..it's life and death, it's the answers to the questions we already know, just forget at times in a society so artificial at times.


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Re: Voices - A Bad Thing? [Re: capliberty]
    #5714449 - 06/05/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the voice was GOOD. inhumanly good.
i felt nothing but pure love comming from the voice.
i felt that the source of the voice cared more about me then anyone else in the whole world cares about me, including my girlfriend.

when i say blackout, i don't mean i literally PASSED OUT. i just mean that as soon as i realized i that there was no one sitting next to me, the voice vanished and i couldn't remember a thing it said.
i still think the knowledge is in me, though, because as i said, i have felt like i have something that most people dont' have since that day.
my first trip was definitely a life-changing spiritual experience and it made me realize what's really important and what not.


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