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Why do we take drugs?
#5708898 - 06/03/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lets not think about this in terms of morals. Lets try to understand the philosophy of drugs and why we do drugs. When I say drugs I mean the ones that get you high. Why do we get high? If we tried to look at this in the primest perspective possible, say if you were God looking at your creations doing something with plants that make themselves temporarily insane. What is the philosophy with drug users? I know this question seems general and easy to answer, but trying to understand what we are doing. Ignoring establishments and laws as variables of the conversation. What exactly are we doing? Is it some sort of a movement? A rite of passage? What sort of a world are we deciding to enter? Who are we?
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Jon]
#5708926 - 06/03/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The word "we" does not apply in this situation, at least for me. 
Why do I occasionally partake in the experience that drugs provide? Most simply, for the experience, which, coincidentally, is the reasoning behind all of the actions and behaviors I engage in. The experience which shapes my perspective which fine-tunes my experience.
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to fuck up the great tube!
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: notleaf]
#5709133 - 06/03/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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We are the villains, and we are the heroes. We have a heaven mandated mission to fight the world, and only God is on our side. The next millenium is about to be a good fight of beleifs I assure you. Lets not be bullshitted by what was doctrinated, watever that was stamped on our clean slate of history from our infancy. The politics that poisoned us from birth, and the challenge for the new idea that will save the world. Knowing that the idea is there, knowing that there will be a movement besides the extremes of being too conservative or too liberal. An idea that all the money in the world couldnt make. What are we doing? What should we be doing? Its obvious that our place is out of line, the line with the end points of being conservative or liberal. I am stamped, I am a product of this nation that chooses a side. Fighting for freedom is about to have a totally new meaning. We deserve to be who we were from the beginning of time. A right for our nature so to speak. A fight for out nature.
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Jon]
#5709170 - 06/03/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychedelics have the capability to allow you to gain tremendous insight into yourself and the entire cosmos. If that's not a good reason, then I dunno what is!
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Jon]
#5709175 - 06/03/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also just realized I sounded like a total wacko just now, i forgot to tell everyone I was on shrooms 2c-e and 2c-I. Sorry if I got anyone excited over a potentially good argument, i just cant make any sense right now.
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Jon]
#5709213 - 06/03/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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In order to triangulate consciousness, so as to better understand and comprehend reality. That is why I take psychedelics.
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: kake]
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you could come up with a number of reasons, all valid. curiosity is the one i will contribute.
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Deviate]
#5709551 - 06/03/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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to be free from yourself so that, while not yourself, you can make revisions necessary in order to a better yourself.
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: leery11]
#5709565 - 06/03/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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why do you smoke pot? (if you do)
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Jon]
#5710286 - 06/04/06 04:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jon said: Lets not think about this in terms of morals. Lets try to understand the philosophy of drugs and why we do drugs. When I say drugs I mean the ones that get you high. Why do we get high? If we tried to look at this in the primest perspective possible, say if you were God looking at your creations doing something with plants that make themselves temporarily insane. What is the philosophy with drug users? I know this question seems general and easy to answer, but trying to understand what we are doing. Ignoring establishments and laws as variables of the conversation. What exactly are we doing? Is it some sort of a movement? A rite of passage? What sort of a world are we deciding to enter? Who are we?
why do people take drugs? Because they are not happy with the kind of existence they normally have, and want something deeper, more interesting. Everything out of the ordinary in human life (the ordinary being your basic primate heard life) is a substitute for something else. Sometimes the substitude tastes better than what it is supose to replace, but still it starts out as a substitude
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: soulcircus]
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cause they work!
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: kotik]
#5710341 - 06/04/06 06:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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cuzz its swwwweet
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Jon]
#5710346 - 06/04/06 06:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re·creation ..
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Gomp]
#5710375 - 06/04/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i don't need them anymore so I don't take them;
but if I did, I would...
lots of people have no business taking mind expanding substances but you never know
I had a friend that was a total fuck up. 1 hit of acid fixed that.
he went to jez'us and became a proud pillar of the community.
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Gomp]
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OldWoodSpecter said: why do people take drugs? Because they are not happy with the kind of existence they normally have, and want something deeper, more interesting.
Oh, is that it, then? It seems as though you are simply speaking for yourself and not for anyone else... Not everyone takes drugs because they are dissatisfied with reality, and I feel sorry that you are dissatisfied with reality...
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I don't think we could ever rationalize drug usage. I guess its different for everyone and different drugs and different situations.
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Lexapro]
#5710485 - 06/04/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lexapro said: I don't think we could ever rationalize drug usage.
Are we not capable of rationalizing anything?
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I guess its different for everyone and different drugs and different situations.
Sounds a lot better than Oldwood's statement that "everyone does drugs because they aren't happy with reality". 
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At certain times, in dreams and during the best of our psychedelic forays, it becomes obvious that abstract geometries and situational experiences are connected in some transcendent way and that some abstract geometries have unique properties that can be felt throughout the body (like chakkras or acupuncture).
At these certain times one can sense that both the geometry and all reality of the moment are engaged in a kind of feedback, and that we can choose to enhance or release that feedback, all the way to epiphany.
So solid is that geometry, that in fact we can even choose to interact with either the abstract pattern or the "other" world that is intricately entangled with it.
I have pointed out frequently enough that the engrams or keys to memory - the essences of experiencing - are holographic patterns or precise abstract geometries resonating in the cerebral cortex, generated from the interference of neural signals from the current moment.
I assume that the quest of the shaman, indeed the quest of all seekers is to find the holy grail - as some abstract geometry that is key to all situations and memories. Maybe it is better to call it the holy engram, so holy that once struck and resonant will it hum at our willing, and produce the magic of unlocking all the light, power, and goodness of the moment.
To that end we juggle the set and setting, and we fiddle the dose and mixtures, and we prethink the right thoughts in the hope of encountering this transcendent pattern that goes so well with all other patterns - so we too can walk in style with the highest haute couture of mind.
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Nice insights Red!
General comments about the thread topic-
I don't do drugs, yet, things like music and literature can trigger the release of mild forms of a mind altering drug for me. (endogenous DMT) I love getting high on the drug of life itself.
I think its for this reason, and maybe more. It probably relates to many who use "drugs".
Bruce Lee summed it pretty well when he said something to the effect of- It's about breaking free from the roles society has limited us to playing and the ones we limit ourselves too, to fit in with what society limits reality too.
I thought on that for a bit and I got this funny idea about how material society tends to limit things to Nouns and adjectives. Objects and judgments of them.
What about the verbs and adverbs of life.
To comprehend the whole story, you need those too. The verbs are the energy in motion "e-motion" and the adjectives describe how they feel to us, and they tell us a lot about the nouns and adjectives, that do not meet the physical eye.
To me, going into altered states of consciousness is about better understanding whats beyond the societal limitations placed on things and integrating more of the story to live in greater fulfillment of the larger self, so many miss out on knowing when they define everything down to nouns and adjectives.
How interesting life becomes when you live within the verbs and adverbs that have the power to bust up and break free whats trapped and goes unseen within the nouns "objects", because of the adjectives "judgments".
Thats when you start to realize just how fluid and malleable nouns/objects are. If you integrate more of the story well, it becomes ever increasingly difficult for society or the self to impose roles of limitation on you. You feel more free to be any of the all of it with simple movements.
Maybe thats why music triggers it so well in me. It moves like we truly do. Were not fixed or limited objects like society would have us believe of ourselves. There is so much more moving through and around us that moves us in and out of and around things.
Regarding Oldwoods comment about escapism-
No doubt , some people clearly use drugs to escape the object of the self and the limiting judgments they or society have put on them that they don't like and are not happy about.
That's understandable. Note a difference in use Oldwood. There are those who initiate altered states of consciousness by whatever means, to PULL in and integrate more of the self that brings about a freer feeling of movement because of the expansion that takes place, and the more of the self that expresses a higher truth and feels good to be about.
The escapist is easy to identify. They see two separate worlds, the world of nouns and the one of verbs (concrete reality and fantasy)They are either in one when off the influence or the other when under it. They are very separate places to them. They show no indication of having been integrating the two into one or an understanding that each comes from out of the other.
For others, when the two are continually blending and expanding as one reality they experience, there is nothing for them to escape from and into.
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gettinjiggywithit said: I don't do drugs, yet, things like music and literature can trigger the release of mild forms of a mind altering drug for me. (endogenous DMT) I love getting high on the drug of life itself.
That would be fucking sweet if you meant to put the comma after "yet" as well.
The way you have it written now reads, "I don't do drugs, yet,", as though you may do drugs sometime in the future. 
More probable is that you meant to state "I don't do drugs, yet things like music can trigger forms of a drug for me". Which is a bummer. 
Someone send jiggy some shrooms, stat! 

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FG, you have been reading some of my stuff here for two years and knowing me off the forum as well.
Do you really think I need MORE drugs, then the ones my brain already manufactures? 
As it is people tell me I am to intense or amped or out there. If I were to use a drug, it would be ones to reel me more in and tone me down. However, I love overwhelming myself with so much energy to the point of it getting intense, and being amped, and flying around out there.
By finding ways to trigger the mild production of my own DMT naturally, I can better integrate all of the multiple realities into one simultaneous experience "event".
COHESION!!!! 
I can control when I go to far and pull back. I can control at will when I close in to tight on myself and need to expand out. To each his own. For me, I don't want to become dependent, on an external source to achieve altered states. That's just my bag and its been working very well for me.
Though some times, I use external music, or literature (words are frequency to me and are felt the same as music) to find the right pitch and pull a trigger to set the release, how that process works, shows me how to find (feel for) the music within to trigger a natural release of my own DMT when I am without any external stimulation.
This is my ideal for a few reasons.
My own releases won't take me any further in any direction then I can comfortably manage, comprehend and integrate. Reading at the shroomery, it seems, a few people went to far to fast and its a no wonder they can not integrate the two, and see life as concrete reality and fantasy as being two separate experiences.
My concrete reality is a fantasy. I am living out so many dreams.
The gaps are so vast for them, between being on and off them, they can't build a bridge and make the magic happen.
Proper dosing can eliminate some of that and yet, no one really knows how a certain dose is going to effect them until its to late to cut back on it. Why bother with all of that if I can learn "remember" how to regulate it all myself naturally?
I don't have to deal with negative side effects that may come along with the use of any external drug.
I don't have to spend any money on what I have within me for free use anytime anywhere.
I don't have to worry about breaking laws and ending up in jail.
I don't have to worry about employment drug testing.
In this case, I don't have to be dependent on anything but what is within me, and that I find to be a very liberating and freeing place to be.
If I am pulling it off to my satisfaction, why should I risk and deal with all that?
I'm generally really enjoying life, personal empowerment, and have no complaints about my life, other then silly stuff, like why I can't just breath energy to run off of through my skin. Getting better at it though. Down to 800 calories a day for the last so many years with more vital energy, clarity and needing less sleep.
The other thing is that if I can get better at this, the next project to fully pour myself into (dabble with it a little here and there now and then and get results when applied over months) is remembering how to release the blockers of the "death aging" hormones that lead to physical entropy. Our bodies stop making them in our mid twenties.
I haven't figured out how to set that on auto pilot. If I don't keep intentioning them and holding the right frequency pitch for their production, they stop and the aging process commences again. I'm 38 and I still get carded. One bartender at a concert last summer wouldn't even serve me. I didn't bring my purse cuz my husband drove and didn't have my ID. I said, "You have to be fucking kidding me that you believe I am no older then 20." 
It works when I put it to work. Still more to figure out though.
To each his own. I respect the rights and ways others explore, journey, discover themselves, grow and expand as they feel lead too. I'm just really digging doing this with my own bio-chemistry and ability to set frequency pitches via memory codes with the emotional body.
I'm being dead serious about all of this, while sober, and probably sound crazy to some and you think I need shrooms? 
I'm more then content being the shroom-less shroom head. 
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I just think you would enjoy having the experience once, is all. 
I agree with your reasoning completely and recall other reasons you have cited as well, and it is perfectly acceptable to make conscious decisions to not do something. 
If you ever did take mushrooms, it would be more of a powerful affirmation of your state of mind than anything else... you'd probably transform into Jesus, and everyone would be like "whoa, man, Jesus is frickin' hot!". 
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Thanks for understanding.
I have tried them twice. Once, when I was 17 and clueless about drugs and spirit. I think the guy I took them with said we had about 2 grams and I don't know what kind they were. Big and white I remember.
It was hell. Set and setting were horrible. I knew nothing of anything about drugs. He said it would be FUN and safe! Guess I was bored and trusting:)
I hated feeling like my body was going to be found dead. I kept seeing ambulances show up to his house to take me off to the morgue. And all kinds of other crazy shit and feelings I didn't like, spawned by set and setting.
Knowing what I do now, I am sure I could make it quite a sweet experience. I already make life a sweet trippy experience though.
The second time I was 25, they were little purple guys, weak, that grew naturally in the field across the street. They just made me giggly. I already laugh easily and a lot.
IF I ever were to use shrooms again, I would want to spend time looking in a mirror. Anyone here ever done that?
I never did when I took that first batch. I do remember, everyones faces I saw looked like Gorilla heads with dog snouts. I wonder what I would've looked like to myself in the mirror while heavily dosed up on shrooms. I wonder if I could get the non human reflections to change by changing emotions.
If anyone plays around with that, or has, let me know.
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we take drugs to recover from this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkqQoT5UOE4 or to understand how it was conceived
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Okay, those naked trolls, with their elf voices in front of flames look more like something you would come across on drugs.
I know you meant to recover from our birthday.
Can you explain what you mean by that?
Or do you simply mean to free ourselves now and again from the confines of physicality or "the left brain hemisphere" I should say ?
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Lets try to transcend beyond the idea of dependency. What are we doin in a more general cosmic perspective? What is this connection we all seem to be able to compare, possibly a thrill? Does God look at us like the prairies that jump off cliffs and just say "wtf?"
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Re: Why do we take drugs? [Re: Jon]
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I think the idea of dependancy itself needs to be transcended, where use is not releated to addiction.
Like I said, I don't take illegal drugs, however, I like working to understand why people do, including abuse alcohol. Both have taken many friends and some family members into the shitz.
I listened to this Abrham chanelling once that talked about this. It said, the alcoholic or drug abuser, isn't trying to hurt or destroy themselves. They JUST have become severely disconnected from source and want to get back to that place that feels good to be in. They JUST want to reconnect with "home", and forgot the way.
It was long ago, can't remember it all, but it helped to be able to see it in that light. From there, he talked about how to engage in the process of reconnecting to source, to feel good again, to feel the way, we have an inherant right to feel, if we would just accept it through gracious humility.
Feeling good and empowered is our natural state.
The way I do it is through the use of ANYthing that reminds me of what feeling good and empowered feels like, when I forget and find myself feeling, lousy or helpless. Then I work to resonate with the memory until I am actually feeling it again.
From reading here, it sounds like most people using drugs occasionally and responcibly, are just using the state induced to serve as remembering what feeling good and empowered and free feels like. They say, when they come off from its effects, they then WORK to recreate them on their own.
This is a touchy subject. A good one and post for people able to come into clearer understanding of "Why people use drugs".
I think this is why Red said, they get used to deal with our Birth day, when we became aware of ourselfs as separated beings from source through forgetfullness and felt limited by these bodies and laws of physics that only apply in the physical.
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I use drugs because my viewpoint of the world is not reality, it is only my subjective twisted perspective, which is fine.
But sometimes I want to see what maybe another way of looking at this oh so subjective reality would be like, so drugs would be a good option in that case.
Anything that shifts one's perspective of the world allows them to in turn become more in tune with what the reality of reality really is.
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I forgot to add what I meant by the idea of, being dependent needing to be transcended, means to me.
We all appreciate the idea of being independent. We experience it to be a very powerful and free place to be, not having to rely on anything but our selves. And it is a great place to be when we have trust and confidence generating from within ourselves.
Look at the work again. In dependent. When we are in dependant we are yet, in a state of dependence on something and that is, the Source within.
Its about reconnecting with it through memory. We just forget its there to draw from at times, or how much better things can be when we are at one with it.
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