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mack_tasticlies
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The America Haters
#5707625 - 06/03/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is a post largely without any purpose except for allowing me a chance to tell all you America haters to fuck off.
Constantly bitching about the current state of affairs. Bashing our Political system, railing against our foreign policy, oblivious to the Domestic policies, or even the interconnectedness of the two. People just looking to bitch about things, The Ne'er Do Wells. Please read a book. You can start with Thomas Paine and his classic pamphlet on the nature of Government. Then once you have mastered its simple and obvious language you can move on towards T.H Whites, The Once and Future King. A pleasant discourse on the nature of Right Vs. Might. Perhaps now you may be ready for A Wealth Of Nations, a better understanding of the mechanics of economy both local and global.
Then I pray you find some spare time where you can sit and ponder seriously the nature of the human spirit and how policy and spirit must walk hand in hand.
How even here on the home front we allow good people to wallow in their dark, we allow a good people the disgrace of providing them with the essentials of life so they never strive or move towards the light. How we bitch and complain about the poor and never even apply simple rules of ecology to the circumstance.
We fail to recognize and apply logic to society. We scream in abject ire at the ignorance of the man next to us and then we walk away without effort at correction. I don't mean we lecture, we live our lives, we manifest fun and hope and personality. We teach people through the way we manifest our beliefs.
Quit hating this country and start hating yourselves you Haters of America. You simple minded people who see only the pixel and not the picture.
The forest is invisible for the tree. You who would chop down the tree to better see the forest, till all the trees are gone and the forest is no more.
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Are you on drugs?
Anywayz,
I think I may know what you mean, even though you may have been hell bent on a rant.
Its like people don't understand, they fail to realize that there are people in the world that want only to maim and kill, be it mental or physically. They want to to sew seeds of uniformity and thought oppression. They want to tell us of their God's and quell any originality. They seek dominion over men, the very thing their Gods lay claim to.
Then when a power in position to help deicdes to intervene cries of outrage and indignation are lifted with great volume. Yet these same people would maintain that it is perfectly accpetable to prevent a man from beaten an invalid or child or woman. These smae people would step in and spend someone else's money on the destitute.
These people would criticize and hate our ways, hatin the president without ever really understanding the balance of powers. They would blame the officials, never thinking that they themselves are in repsonsible for the powers that be. Most of them live right here in America. Go to the fucking polls and vote.
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Yea, goddamn those people. Hiding behind their 1st amendment. We should make a holiday called America day where we hold a inquisition to destroy all those pesky america haters.
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who here hates america? if i dislike politicians, or aspects of government, i dont throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Annapurna1
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Constantly bitching about the current state of affairs. Bashing our Political system, railing against our foreign policy, oblivious to the Domestic policies, or even the interconnectedness of the two. People just looking to bitch about things, The Ne'er Do Wells. Please read a book. You can start with Thomas Paine and his classic pamphlet on the nature of Government. Then once you have mastered its simple and obvious language you can move on towards T.H Whites, The Once and Future King. A pleasant discourse on the nature of Right Vs. Might. Perhaps now you may be ready for A Wealth Of Nations, a better understanding of the mechanics of economy both local and global.
anyone that has read thos paine..or even adam smith..would necessarily hate bush&co...they become america-haters..and rightfully so..when the american voters embrace the neocon radicals...you might also want to check out george lakoffs' synopsis of strict-father morality.. it is dificult to imagine how anyone could read this and not be repulsed...again..because the american voters have embraced this ideology..anyone that is repulsed as such also becomes an "america-hater"...one could even argue that we sent 2 million of our own ppl to their deaths in WWII to fight against the very thing that we have chosen..by dint of electoral majority..to become...and IMNSHO..such a society more than deserves a measure of resementment...
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Annapurna1]
#5707914 - 06/03/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't hate America, I hate the system that runs America at the current moment. Aka. The views the dominate congress
What happened to the system of checks and balances? just tossed out the window
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Edited by David_vs_Goliath (06/03/06 04:20 PM)
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I don't hate "America"....I just don't like your government or how it operates 
There's a bit of a difference there.
On the other hand, "America hater" is a phrase I often see tossed around by those blindly patriotic persons...
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Re: The America Haters [Re: trendal]
#5708214 - 06/03/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The "America Hater" label gets applied to those who never have anything good to say about America and seem to revel in whatever failure or misdeeds an American may commit. "Nyah nyah nyahnyah nyah, I saw your underpants". Assuming the worst is also a characteristic of the knee jerk (or even the reflective) "America Hater." I try to avoid the label, myself, because I think it is weak but they are certainly out there. This does not include the obvious population of America Haters from say the land of Islamic whackjobs, wherever they may be. I'm not the least bit interested in any of their complaints. They should be on Selusa Secundis forever. Or until they die. Whichever takes longer.
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You could also deal with reading "Utopia" as well as "Mein Kampf", and throw in a shitload of Marx in there.....
All political "novels" are pure idealism.
If you were to actually read Mein Kampf, without any idea that the holocaust happened, you would probably agree with everything the book had to say, and would also see that Hitler was an amazing politician.
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There is a big element of "America Haters" both inside and outside the USA. In my opinion, about 90 percent of this group is composed of people who just randomly jump on this bandwagon of thought without really thinking about it for themselves.
Are there things wrong with America? Your damn right there are!!! Does this mean the entire institution is evil, of course not!!!! There are several governments both past and present that should be hated to a stronger degree then the USA.
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Vvellum
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There are several governments both past and present that should be hated to a stronger degree then the USA.
too bad a critique of those past governments are not as relevent as a critique of the US government.
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In my opinion, about 90 percent of this group is composed of people who just randomly jump on this bandwagon of thought without really thinking about it for themselves.
...and 90% of America Lovers do the same.
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The problem as I see it is that most cannot separate the actions of the US government with those of it's people. I think Americans, (with a lot of exceptions- there's going to be fucked-up people in ANY nation) are a great people. It's just that those we've placed in charge are the ones that are fucked up.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: zappaisgod]
#5708712 - 06/03/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The "America Hater" label gets applied to those who never have anything good to say about America and seem to revel in whatever failure or misdeeds an American may commit. "Nyah nyah nyahnyah nyah, I saw your underpants". Assuming the worst is also a characteristic of the knee jerk (or even the reflective) "America Hater."
...and what is the difference between those who orgasm all over themselves whenever France or Sweden or Venezula do something deemed a failure?
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5708714 - 06/03/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's just that those we've placed in charge are the ones that are fucked up.
...but what does that say about Americans?
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Vvellum]
#5708729 - 06/03/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It means that some, alas, are easily misled, sad to say. Don't judge me by the actions of my government. FWIW, I probably hate Dubya and Co. as much as you do.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Vvellum]
#5708743 - 06/03/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It shows that we are a group of people who have been herded into such a position to where we are only capable of voting for one of two equally worthless parties.
American citizens are sheep who are too chicken-shit to jump off the two-party system bandwagon. As a whole, we are not inherently corrump like many of the politicians who run our country, but we are, as a majority, completely brainless when it comes to doing something reasonable at the polling station.
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I hate to dignify this stupid thread with a response, but I just had to give in:
As long as America's leaders claim to represent me, I will consider it in my best interest to criticize any decisions of theirs that do not reflect my morals and beliefs.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5708839 - 06/03/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: The problem as I see it is that most cannot separate the actions of the US government with those of it's people. I think Americans, (with a lot of exceptions- there's going to be fucked-up people in ANY nation) are a great people. It's just that those we've placed in charge are the ones that are fucked up.
when the american ppl keep voting for that kind of govt..neocons in particular..then its no longer a matter of the the govt vs the ppl.. the ppl..at least an electoral majority..have given that govt their full blessing and support...for example..i didnt vote for bush or his congressional lackeys..but i will still be judged by the actions of those who did...
nor does the fact that the elections are unfair hold any water either..because if the voters really didnt want the neocons..then they should not continue to tolerate election tampering...but nobody raised the necessary stink when the patently fraudulent diebold machines were forced on them...and when voters tolerate election tampering..they are de facto voting for whomever the gerrymanderers and their diebold machines declare to be the winner...
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Annapurna1]
#5708963 - 06/03/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those fucking Chads!!!!!!!
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Annapurna1]
#5708972 - 06/03/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, that's all well and good if it was 100% of the people voting the current asshats into office. Remember, both elections were awful close, hardly a "mandate from the people". Be that as it may, both elections had a very low turnout. If more people actually took the time to register to vote, the results would have been very different, I suspect. Maybe I'm being naive here, but that's what I believe.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5709070 - 06/03/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the "non-voters" are by default voting for the winner...many of these might feel that theres no alternative to neoconservatism..but cannot bring themselves to actively vote for a fascist either...
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Annapurna1]
#5709130 - 06/03/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thats the ticket, make eveyone vote!!
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Annapurna1]
#5709198 - 06/03/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's their own fault if they don't vote. If they stopped feeling sorry for themselves and actually got off their ass, they could make sure neoconservatives didn't hold office.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Annapurna1]
#5709203 - 06/03/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's a combination of "I-don't-give-a-damn-ism", apathy and a pervasive feeling that their vote won't count. I vote, and I think you should too, if you don't already do so.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5709231 - 06/03/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my opinion everyone should vote. But to say that if you didn't vote for any of nominees from the two party systems, and your to blame is wrong.
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Well, no, I wasn't saying that. Vote for whomever strikes your fancy, be it one of the two main parties or whomever.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5709392 - 06/03/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can also look at the issue in another way.
For example, many people who use the phrase "America Haters" will reflexively throw anyone who criticizes a current right-wing administration into that camp. And I don't get the feeling that they research each individual to see if the critic is actually against America on virtually everything or just happens to find themselves opposed to someone else's cherished political world view.
"America Hater" seems to be mainly used defensively as a shield. And one normally employs a shield extensively when one's ass is being beaten very very badly. Small wonder the phrase is being trotted out these days.
I don't know about you, but when I am being beaten badly in something I tend to take a break. I study what is happening and make corrections. But here instead this administration and its supporters want to blame someone else. It is simply too painful to take responsibility for the beat down. It must be some other guy's fault.
Stubbornness is not strength, it is weakness.
And partisanship is a poor substitute for the facts.
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Edited by zorbman (06/04/06 01:47 AM)
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Annapurna1
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5709480 - 06/03/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: I think it's a combination of "I-don't-give-a-damn-ism", apathy and a pervasive feeling that their vote won't count. I vote, and I think you should too, if you don't already do so.

and BTW..they dont use diebold machines in arkham county either..so my vote does count...EDIT ..if we are to believe the newspolls..2/3 of americans support a police state.. definitely not i-dont-give-a-damn-ism...
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Edited by Annapurna1 (06/04/06 01:26 AM)
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Annapurna1]
#5709494 - 06/03/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I voted for him too, although I thought they should've run Gore again. But for what it's worth, even though Tennessee 'went red', Kerry won the county I lived in, so my vote counted as well. Ah well, we still have this November to look forward too. Here's for another term for Bart Gordon!
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5710567 - 06/04/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: It's just that those we've placed in charge are the ones that are fucked up.
the only person I've spoken with that actualy voted for bush was a dual nationality canadian, I dont think we actualy put half these people into office
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5710681 - 06/04/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: I voted for him too, although I thought they should've run Gore again. But for what it's worth, even though Tennessee 'went red', Kerry won the county I lived in, so my vote counted as well. Ah well, we still have this November to look forward too. Here's for another term for Bart Gordon!
Bart Gordon is a dick http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Bart_Gordon.htm Candidate's Political Philosophy The below is a way of thinking about the candidate's political philosophy by dividing the candidate's VoteMatch answers into "personal" and "economic" questions. It is only a theory - please take it with a grain of salt!
Personal Questions: Liberals and libertarians agree in choosing the less-government answers, while conservatives and populists agree in choosing the more-restrictions answers.
Economic Questions: Conservatives and libertarians agree in choosing the less-government answers, while liberals and populists agree in choosing the more-restrictions answers.
Candidate's Score
The candidate scored the following on the VoteMatch questions: Personal Score 20% Economic Score 40%
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Where the candidate's Personal score meets the Economic score on the grid below is the candidate's political philosophy. Based on the above score, the candidate is a Conservative-Leaning Authoritarian.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: zorbman]
#5710864 - 06/04/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zorbman said: You can also look at the issue in another way.
For example, many people who use the phrase "America Haters" will reflexively throw anyone who criticizes a current right-wing administration into that camp. And I don't get the feeling that they research each individual to see if the critic is actually against America on virtually everything or just happens to find themselves opposed to someone else's cherished political world view.
"America Hater" seems to be mainly used defensively as a shield. And one normally employs a shield extensively when one's ass is being beaten very very badly. Small wonder the phrase is being trotted out these days.
I don't know about you, but when I am being beaten badly in something I tend to take a break. I study what is happening and make corrections. But here instead this administration and its supporters want to blame someone else. It is simply too painful to take responsibility for the beat down. It must be some other guy's fault.
Stubbornness is not strength, it is weakness.
And partisanship is a poor substitute for the facts.
I, (Mr Tasticlies, please excuse because I am going to speak for you), think what he was babbling about is the almost reflexive reaction some people in this country have when ever America does something, these people are immediately are up in anger and very unsupportive. Its like we can't win. we are damned if we do and more dmaned if we don't. I have never once in my life seen any use the term America Haters, and its is sad our own people would so complain and gripe about all the fallacies or life in America, never for once considering the fact that our way of life allows all the freedoms in the world to do for the most part as they see fit, as long as it infringes on no one else's lives.
Yeah, I know, we aren't free. We aren't free to wonder aimlessly down the street selling and doin drugs, or whatever other bullshit the people will cry about not being free to do.
Well, I do all the drugs I want and as long as I aint being stupid about it I won't be punished. I won't be pressed into a labor gang for being out past curfew, I don't have to work 100 hrs a week to live a rather enjoyable live.
It seems he is just tired of the America is the worst country in the world song and dance.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Annapurna1]
#5710925 - 06/04/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: ..if we are to believe the newspolls..2/3 of americans support a police state.. definitely not i-dont-give-a-damn-ism...
how dramatic?
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yeah< i guess it doesn't matter, most the people on this board live in fantasy where American policy really has very little impact o their lives. They just like bitchin cause the can.
Someone implied I was guilty of violating the complainers first amendmant rights. NO,iI in no way expressed any desire for them to be arrested and tried for treason, I simply espressed a heart felt repulsion and dissapointment in my fellow Americans. That is all, and like I said it was a rant.
Look at all the good things you've got. Whether it be a Blue House, or a Red House, we should not be a divided house. The time for division comes once every four years, and once again the days your local elections take place.
We are all together on this ship of fools.
Oh yeah, Nakor, don't ever presume to speak on my behalf again. I don't like you, and never have.
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I am honestly embarassed of where my country is right now, but I don't hate it. I know it can be changed.
I hate the fact that we are moving more and more towards a wasteful welfare state.
I hate the fact that corruption is slowly becoming the norm.
I hate the fact that we are wasting absurd amounts of money overseas via military endeavors and foreign aid which yields poor returns to both us and the countries we give the aid to.
I hate that our population has become so apathetic about politics that a majority of them couldn't give a shit less about most of the major problems facing our country.
I hate the things that are wrong with our country, but I don't hate our country as a whole.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Redstorm]
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yeah, a welfare state is no good.
Corruption has been the norm for nearly every gov't since time immemorial. Yeah I am not a fan of the foreign fund giving, or even for the most part the domestic ones, global welfare. I am a fan however of the invasion button and its practical uses.
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I have no problem with invading a country when we are attacked first or when there is indisputable evidence that we will be attacked. I do not, on the other hand, agree with the money spent for "humanitarian" or strategic wars. We would be better off spending that money to protect us from future attacks.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Redstorm]
#5711022 - 06/04/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you have a prblem with invading for strategic reasons?
Why?
Maybe the best way to prevent future attacks is a pre-emptive attack of our own?
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Redstorm]
#5711054 - 06/04/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: I am honestly embarassed of where my country is right now, but I don't hate it. I know it can be changed.
I hate the fact that we are moving more and more towards a wasteful welfare state.
I hate the fact that corruption is slowly becoming the norm.
I hate the fact that we are wasting absurd amounts of money overseas via military endeavors and foreign aid which yields poor returns to both us and the countries we give the aid to.
I hate that our population has become so apathetic about politics that a majority of them couldn't give a shit less about most of the major problems facing our country.
I hate the things that are wrong with our country, but I don't hate our country as a whole.
Most of what you say I have heard for my entire life. The exact same complaints. My parents and grandparents probably made the same ones as well. Exactly the same. Still and all, it hasn't turned out too poorly. Work in progress and room for improvement? Of course. Still and all, so far the greatest nation the world has ever seen.
Don't be so sad about the amount of people who don't vote. Out of 100 people 20 agree with you 20 disagree with you and 60 don't even understand the question. Now, if the electorate is suddenly flooded with idiots you don't really expect them to side with you, do you? I know I don't. They'll vote for whoever says they're going to get more money for less work, the deluded dipshits. Don't worry, be happy. It's actually pretty fucking good.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: kotik]
#5711270 - 06/04/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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who here hates america? if i dislike politicians, or aspects of government, i dont throw the baby out with the bathwater.
you sure did use a lot of space making your one word point.
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There's no room for "maybes" when it comes to war. If we are going to put our young soldiers' lives on the line, it better for for a damn good purpose (i.e. the protection of our country).
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Redstorm]
#5711427 - 06/04/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its the maybes we need to prevent with absolutes. Volunteers know they may go to war, fuck they joined the army. What are they expecting.
A few dead soldiers is better than a bunch of dead soldiers and civilians.
or an enslaved nation.
Or a starving nation.
We need to go over to Iran and check those sun burnt sunz a bitches.
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That sounds exactly like what would come from a war-mongering chicken-hawk.
If you feel so strongly about invading a country that is not an immediate threat to us, I'm sure you would have no problem with joining the service. It's easy to say "Let's go!" when you have nothing invested in the matter.
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We need to go over to Iran and check those sun burnt sunz a bitches.
why?
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It seems to me that because you are objectifying an entire group of people, in this case Iranians (It can be anyone: Indians, blacks, gays) you could launch missiles into their cities with a smile on your face because you have no real conception of them as innocent people, you are too abstracted from reality. Iran's president was democratically elected, if the people of Iran do not like the work he is doing they can vote him out. Do you really think Iran would launch any kind of weapon at you? you think they are that stupid? Heres a scenario I would like you to consider, the Bush family has well known ties to big oil and the Saudi royal family. A recent leak from the State Department is a 323 page document detailing their plans to create an Iraqi state oil company that would enhance it's relationship with OPEC (Saudi oil cartel). It is in OPEC's interests to keep production low, keeping prices high. Pipeline bombings and chaos in Iraq for OPEC for the driving public. So from the perspective of OPEC the Iraq war is just super! The same can be said of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's nutty comments, when he ratchets up the rhetoric and threatens crude supplies the price sky rockets. So they will either A. Leave him alone B. Launch thousands of cruise missiles at some water tower in the desert (with night vision pictures live on CNN!) and say it is a missile silo (missiles bought at the taxpayers expense on some no bid contract from a halliburton subsidiary). So maybe...your government has been bought, your military is doing the bidding of OPEC and the Chinese through Walmart are depressing the wages of the poorest Americans and sucking off your economy. I do not hate America, I hate how it is corrupted by those individuals seeking power and wealth. But war profiteering is nothing new, look up J.P. Morgan and all the shady shit he got up to during the first world war (not to mention the shit his namesake still gets up to).
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Andy21]
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People are always saying "we can't let iran get the bomb". Well, what if they did? Do you honestly believe they would hit isreal with it? Do you think they don't know what would happen to them if they did that?
Anyone can stand up all day long and babble on about how they are religious wackjobs but in reality money runs the world. The leaders of iran embrace their wealth a helluva lot more than they embrace their quran (same goes for every mid-east govt). They are not going to cause a nuclear explosion in a neighbors country for it would mean devastation in their own. The reason they want the bomb (if that is actually what they want, you know the intelligence community has zero credibility at this point) is for protection from invasion. North Korea has proven without a doubt that if you have the bomb you get left alone.
Or did god tell bush north korea wasn't a threat?
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If I were in charge of Iran, I'd want nukes as well. Seems to be a deterrent against US invasion ala North Korea.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Vvellum]
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I don't think a jihaadist state would fear using nukes one bit in a war.
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mack_tasticlies said: I don't think a jihaadist state would fear using nukes one bit in a war.
I must disagree. For if they used a nuke, they themselves would get nuked. Then they would have no power, no money, no food...nothing but death all around them, in THEIR own cities. Kind of hard to enjoy a luxurious lifestyle amidst all the rubble isn't it?
And I think anyone can agree, global nuclear war is in no one's interests.
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I'm not sure it's wise to ascribe rational reasoning to the mullahs of Iran. Those fuckers are crazy.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: zappaisgod]
#5715938 - 06/05/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I'll go by what I've seen him do for this area rather than what a conservative think-tank thinks of him.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5716001 - 06/05/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If that's a conservative think tank, I can't tell. They seem to just be tallying his votes on legislation and frankly I think he sucks. Anti abortion and some other stupid shit I don't remember. Check it out yourself. He may not be what you think he is.
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mack_tasticlies said: I don't think a jihaadist state would fear using nukes one bit in a war.
I must disagree. For if they used a nuke, they themselves would get nuked. Then they would have no power, no money, no food...nothing but death all around them, in THEIR own cities. Kind of hard to enjoy a luxurious lifestyle amidst all the rubble isn't it?
And I think anyone can agree, global nuclear war is in no one's interests.
72 virgins is quite nice motivation.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: zappaisgod]
#5716109 - 06/05/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll look into it a bit deeper then. I do need to do some research on candidates for this November.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5717394 - 06/05/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't hate united states, I hate the government and the unless laws they make. One day United states will be know as the People's Repuba of the United States IT'S NOT AMERICA (THAT INCLUDES MEXICO AND CANADA) IT'S THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, DUMBASS
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Brainiac]
#5717604 - 06/06/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, don't yell at me! I didn't start the damned thread.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Silversoul]
#5718234 - 06/06/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heres a Link to an interview with Iran's President Ahmadinejad, he does not come accross as nuts to me. Thoughts anyone !Interview
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The_Red_Crayon said: Yea, goddamn those people. Hiding behind their 1st amendment. We should make a holiday called America day where we hold a inquisition to destroy all those pesky america haters.
It seems, according to your lack of respect for human rights and the Bill of Rights that u are an America-hater yourself
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Re: The America Haters [Re: PSylopHiLe]
#5719458 - 06/06/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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According to the person who posted this topic, I hate America. Luckily for him, I am moving to France. I myself, do not want to be known as a citizen of the most greedy country on the face of the earth. A bientôt, mack_tasticlies
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72 virgins is quite nice motivation.
I'm sorry but I don't buy that one bit. Sure the average jihadist on the street might think of that as motivation, hell I don't know. But I don't believe for one second that the leaders of these countries are anymore devout muslims than bush is a devout christian. They are not going to see their entire country reduced to a stinking pit of nuclear waste for some virgins. With the wealth they possess they can have all the virgins they want right now.
And I guess I am applying logical reasoning to what seems to be nut cases. But since I have seen no objective evidence to prove that they are truly insane, I will refrain from believing that. It is very hard work to run an entire country especially with the biggest empire in the history of planet earth pointing missiles at you. If they aren't cracking under that kind of pressure then they at least have some high level of mental stability.
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