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Redstorm
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There's no room for "maybes" when it comes to war. If we are going to put our young soldiers' lives on the line, it better for for a damn good purpose (i.e. the protection of our country).
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mack_tasticlies
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Redstorm]
#5711427 - 06/04/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its the maybes we need to prevent with absolutes. Volunteers know they may go to war, fuck they joined the army. What are they expecting.
A few dead soldiers is better than a bunch of dead soldiers and civilians.
or an enslaved nation.
Or a starving nation.
We need to go over to Iran and check those sun burnt sunz a bitches.
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Redstorm
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That sounds exactly like what would come from a war-mongering chicken-hawk.
If you feel so strongly about invading a country that is not an immediate threat to us, I'm sure you would have no problem with joining the service. It's easy to say "Let's go!" when you have nothing invested in the matter.
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Vvellum
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We need to go over to Iran and check those sun burnt sunz a bitches.
why?
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Andy21
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It seems to me that because you are objectifying an entire group of people, in this case Iranians (It can be anyone: Indians, blacks, gays) you could launch missiles into their cities with a smile on your face because you have no real conception of them as innocent people, you are too abstracted from reality. Iran's president was democratically elected, if the people of Iran do not like the work he is doing they can vote him out. Do you really think Iran would launch any kind of weapon at you? you think they are that stupid? Heres a scenario I would like you to consider, the Bush family has well known ties to big oil and the Saudi royal family. A recent leak from the State Department is a 323 page document detailing their plans to create an Iraqi state oil company that would enhance it's relationship with OPEC (Saudi oil cartel). It is in OPEC's interests to keep production low, keeping prices high. Pipeline bombings and chaos in Iraq for OPEC for the driving public. So from the perspective of OPEC the Iraq war is just super! The same can be said of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's nutty comments, when he ratchets up the rhetoric and threatens crude supplies the price sky rockets. So they will either A. Leave him alone B. Launch thousands of cruise missiles at some water tower in the desert (with night vision pictures live on CNN!) and say it is a missile silo (missiles bought at the taxpayers expense on some no bid contract from a halliburton subsidiary). So maybe...your government has been bought, your military is doing the bidding of OPEC and the Chinese through Walmart are depressing the wages of the poorest Americans and sucking off your economy. I do not hate America, I hate how it is corrupted by those individuals seeking power and wealth. But war profiteering is nothing new, look up J.P. Morgan and all the shady shit he got up to during the first world war (not to mention the shit his namesake still gets up to).
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Andy21]
#5715186 - 06/05/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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People are always saying "we can't let iran get the bomb". Well, what if they did? Do you honestly believe they would hit isreal with it? Do you think they don't know what would happen to them if they did that?
Anyone can stand up all day long and babble on about how they are religious wackjobs but in reality money runs the world. The leaders of iran embrace their wealth a helluva lot more than they embrace their quran (same goes for every mid-east govt). They are not going to cause a nuclear explosion in a neighbors country for it would mean devastation in their own. The reason they want the bomb (if that is actually what they want, you know the intelligence community has zero credibility at this point) is for protection from invasion. North Korea has proven without a doubt that if you have the bomb you get left alone.
Or did god tell bush north korea wasn't a threat?
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Vvellum
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If I were in charge of Iran, I'd want nukes as well. Seems to be a deterrent against US invasion ala North Korea.
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mack_tasticlies
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Vvellum]
#5715692 - 06/05/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think a jihaadist state would fear using nukes one bit in a war.
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RosettaStoned
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mack_tasticlies said: I don't think a jihaadist state would fear using nukes one bit in a war.
I must disagree. For if they used a nuke, they themselves would get nuked. Then they would have no power, no money, no food...nothing but death all around them, in THEIR own cities. Kind of hard to enjoy a luxurious lifestyle amidst all the rubble isn't it?
And I think anyone can agree, global nuclear war is in no one's interests.
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I'm not sure it's wise to ascribe rational reasoning to the mullahs of Iran. Those fuckers are crazy.
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Le_Canard
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Re: The America Haters [Re: zappaisgod]
#5715938 - 06/05/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I'll go by what I've seen him do for this area rather than what a conservative think-tank thinks of him.
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zappaisgod
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5716001 - 06/05/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If that's a conservative think tank, I can't tell. They seem to just be tallying his votes on legislation and frankly I think he sucks. Anti abortion and some other stupid shit I don't remember. Check it out yourself. He may not be what you think he is.
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mack_tasticlies
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Quote:
RosettaStoned said:
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mack_tasticlies said: I don't think a jihaadist state would fear using nukes one bit in a war.
I must disagree. For if they used a nuke, they themselves would get nuked. Then they would have no power, no money, no food...nothing but death all around them, in THEIR own cities. Kind of hard to enjoy a luxurious lifestyle amidst all the rubble isn't it?
And I think anyone can agree, global nuclear war is in no one's interests.
72 virgins is quite nice motivation.
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Le_Canard
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Re: The America Haters [Re: zappaisgod]
#5716109 - 06/05/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll look into it a bit deeper then. I do need to do some research on candidates for this November.
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Le_Canard]
#5717394 - 06/05/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't hate united states, I hate the government and the unless laws they make. One day United states will be know as the People's Repuba of the United States IT'S NOT AMERICA (THAT INCLUDES MEXICO AND CANADA) IT'S THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, DUMBASS
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Le_Canard
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Brainiac]
#5717604 - 06/06/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, don't yell at me! I didn't start the damned thread.
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Andy21
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Re: The America Haters [Re: Silversoul]
#5718234 - 06/06/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heres a Link to an interview with Iran's President Ahmadinejad, he does not come accross as nuts to me. Thoughts anyone !Interview
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PSylopHiLe
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The_Red_Crayon said: Yea, goddamn those people. Hiding behind their 1st amendment. We should make a holiday called America day where we hold a inquisition to destroy all those pesky america haters.
It seems, according to your lack of respect for human rights and the Bill of Rights that u are an America-hater yourself
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PSylopHiLe
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Re: The America Haters [Re: PSylopHiLe]
#5719458 - 06/06/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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According to the person who posted this topic, I hate America. Luckily for him, I am moving to France. I myself, do not want to be known as a citizen of the most greedy country on the face of the earth. A bientôt, mack_tasticlies
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RosettaStoned
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72 virgins is quite nice motivation.
I'm sorry but I don't buy that one bit. Sure the average jihadist on the street might think of that as motivation, hell I don't know. But I don't believe for one second that the leaders of these countries are anymore devout muslims than bush is a devout christian. They are not going to see their entire country reduced to a stinking pit of nuclear waste for some virgins. With the wealth they possess they can have all the virgins they want right now.
And I guess I am applying logical reasoning to what seems to be nut cases. But since I have seen no objective evidence to prove that they are truly insane, I will refrain from believing that. It is very hard work to run an entire country especially with the biggest empire in the history of planet earth pointing missiles at you. If they aren't cracking under that kind of pressure then they at least have some high level of mental stability.
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