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Sleeping Bags
    #5421099 - 03/20/06 01:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone here into camping? Im going camping in Yosemite in a week, and want a decent sleeping bag. The temperatures are going to get down to 10 degrees F. It will also be windy, maybe rainy/snowy. Ill be in a tent, but I dont want to be freezing the whole night. I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a decent sleeping bag, I know nothing of brands or what stuff should cost. It seems that some claim to be good to 10 degrees, and are like 40 dollars, then others claim 10 degrees and are like 200.


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Re: Sleeping Bags [Re: TheCow]
    #5421108 - 03/20/06 01:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I find sometimes price is a decent indicator of quality. Not always and not with everything, but in general its a decent rule of thumb. For something like that I personally would spend some extra dough to get a nicer one. The cheapest in that line probably isnt really good to its rating, the most expensive is probably effective but way overinflated on price.


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Re: Sleeping Bags [Re: mndfreeze]
    #5421131 - 03/20/06 02:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Sleeping Bags [Re: TheCow]
    #5421291 - 03/20/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My dad got me a pretty nice mummy-bag style sleeping bag a few years ago. It's kept me warm in temperatures well below freezing. It works down to about -10 F. But, it was expensive :crazy:

It's also too warm for camping in climates where night-time is above about 60 F.


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Re: Sleeping Bags [Re: TheCow]
    #5421304 - 03/20/06 05:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Check here... this is where you will find the best deals - http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores...gId=40000000226
As far as brands go.. some are better quality than others... some make good stuff but jack the price way up *cough*North Face*cough*. But generally speaking.. all the major brands are good quality, else they wouldn't be a major brand.

Kelty, Slumberjack, REI, Marmot, North Face, Sierra Designs, and Mountain Hardware are the top makers. You can't really go wrong with any of these bags. Also.. the site I gave you... the "Campmor" brand is like the generic version.. probably the same quality as all the other bags.. at half the price. 

So you want a bag rated to about 5 degrees. Now you just have to choose: Synthetic filled, or Down filled.

Synthetic: Heavier and bulkier, but retains its insulation qualities when wet.

Down: Light as hell and packs into a tiny ball. Down is the warmest material by weight, and stuffs smaller. Down bags also tend to last twice as long as synthetic bags before the loft deteriorates. Achilles heel - Down has almost zero insulation qualities when wet. Completely useless when soaked.

Down is my personal choice due to it's lightness, compactability and fluffiness :smile:

If you plan on getting your bag wet ever.. get a synthetic bag. Myself.. I have an obsession with having a completely dry tent. I would never ever let my sleeping bag get wet. Synthetics will keep you warm even if they are soaked.  This can be important in a life or death situation. If you have hypothermia.. and your bag is wet.. you're screwed if its down. But like I said.. I'll never let it get wet.. unless it's from my own sweat from being too warm.
My bag is rated to 20 degrees, but I believe I've slept in colder weather than that in it, and been PLENTY warm and cozy. It also cost like $300.

The temperature rating is what you want to look at first. A 0 degree bag, means that it's rated to be comfortable to sleep in, naked at 0 degrees F. if you ever want to add warmth to bag.. you can add a bag liner (which adds about 10-15 degrees to its insultation), and wear your clothes inside the bag. Note that a 0 or 10 degree bag would not be very useful to use in the summer.. you would wake up drenched in sweat. I've slept in a 20 degree bag in the warm seasons many times.. it's ok when you fall asleep.. then you wake up completely drenched in sweat.. not very fun. For summer purposes I have a cheap lightweight sleeping bag (rated to 50 degrees) cost me like $25.. it gets the job done. For the rest of the year, I bring my good bag.

Another thing is there are two main types of bags.. rectangular and mummy. Rectangular bags are self explanatory.. the bags everyone knows. Mummy bags should be familiar to most people too.. the main difference is the tapered shape (gets smaller as it goes down the legs and to the feet area.. for maximum warmth/no wasted air space) And mummy bags have a "hood" that goes around your head.. most have a cord of sorts so that you can close this around your face.. leaving only your face exposed.. or only your nose and mouth. Obviously... mummy bags are the bags to have for cold weather. 

On down: Not all down is created equal. There is low quality down and high quality. The high quality down is generally more resilient, and lasts longer (down lasts 15+ years taken properly care of anyway) and is more lightweight, compressible, and has a higher warmth-to-weigh ratio. The down is rated by "fill". For example.. low-quality down is 500-fill or 600-fill. The high quality down is 800-fill or higher.. what you will find in high end bags. I'm rusty with my sleeping bag lingo and construction.. but I think the fill refers not only the quality of down used but the actual "fluffiness" or "loft" of it.. for lack of a better term.

Down is also more expensive than synthetic fill.

It's all up to you really.. what your preferences are and how much you're willing to spend.

I wouldn't buy a $40 bag. Well maybe for a weekend.. but I wouldn't rely on that in 10 degree temps. $40 bags have a tendency to get trashed and forgotten about relatively fast. And the quality is never good. I bring cheap walmart bags with me to festivals, in the summer.

For real camping.. if you're going to be doing much of it at all.. invest in a good bag. Besides your tent, it is one of the most important things. And a good bag will last for years and years and years if you take care of it.

Also keep in mind that if you do get a down bag - down needs "loft" (air space between the feathers) to retain warmth. When you lay on the bag, it compresses underneath you.. meaning no loft.. meaning very little insulation on that part that is compressed. On the cold ground inside a tent.. this means a freezing cold back while the rest of your body is warm. Not good. So if you are getting a down bag to use in cold weather.. a sleeping pad to lay under you is a necessity. It's just an insulated foam pad that keeps the cold from creeping from the ground and freezing you while you sleep. I use them year round anyway.. since it's a comfy cushion as well.. ever wake up with a stick or a rock in your back? Yeah.

All in all.. if you want a decent down bag.. expect to be paying around $150-$250. A good quality down mummy bag will be the most expensive.
The most expensive bags are around $500... and that's watertight, rated to -20 degrees or lower, with gasket seals, draft tubes, pockets, stabilizers, and all the bells and whistles. But you don't need something like that unless you are in some really extreme cold. And even then.. you can get US military modular sleeping bags for a fraction of that cost.. good to around -30. These bags are cool because they consist of two bags... a lightweight outer bag rated to 30 degrees.. and an inner bag rated to -10F. You can use them separately, or put them together for an extreme cold weather bag rated to -30. Might be worth looking into. The biggest problem I would see is.. these bags weigh about 5 lbs.. that's heavy for a bag.. and are probably relatively bulky.

Cheaper for synthetic bags.. around $50-200. Average being about 100.
A cheap synthetic rectangular bag you can find for $25-$40 at most places like walmart.

Just browse and find one that's right for you. That website I linked... you probably wont find prices much cheaper than those.. online or off.

A good down bag will last you for many years.. but only get one if you are dedicated to keeping it dry when on the trail.
Otherwise go for a synthetic fill.. if you don't care/don't want to worry about it getting wet/want to save some money.


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Re: Sleeping Bags [Re: TheCow]
    #5422134 - 03/20/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.rei.com/outlet/category/22000001.htm

I'd go here and find a good deal, also unless you plan on doing a lot of cold weather camping I'd buy one rated higher and get a liner. No reason to buy an expensive bag unless it's going to get used. I've found a M-65 military issue poncho liner that cost 20$ and weighs like 9 ozs will add about 15 degrees to my bag. There are plenty of actuall liners on the market that can do just as well but will cost you more also.


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Re: Sleeping Bags [Re: Shroomism]
    #5422683 - 03/20/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey thanks, that pretty much answers everything I wanted to know. I think one rated at 10-20 degrees would be better because I cant imagine Ill ever go colder then 10 degrees, and I may want to use it in places where it only drops to around 20-25. Also I think a rectangular bag is what Im after as Im pretty sure Id never be able to get to sleep in something constricting. Maybe something like this for example.


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Re: Sleeping Bags [Re: TheCow]
    #5422758 - 03/20/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah man it's all preference. I like the mummy bags more because I like feeling "enclosed and safe" in my bag.. no drafts coming out of the shoulder/neck area  and whatnot.  They are usually roomy enough too.. I never feel constricted in mine... unless someone else is in it with me  :naughty:

That bag looks good.. except one thing I forgot to tell you. Cotton + camping = the devil. You don't want to be wearing cotton, and I wouldn't want my sleeping bag to have any cotton in it. The reason for this is hypothermia (which can occur in 60 degree weather) When cotton gets wet... it stays wet. It takes forever to dry. I would highly advise against cotton clothes.. and especially a sleeping bag with cotton. If you are getting a synthetic bag.. look for one with a nylon ripstop shell, and Quallofil, Hollofil, Cloudloft, or Insul-Therm insulation inside. No cotton please.


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Re: Sleeping Bags [Re: Shroomism]
    #5432926 - 03/23/06 02:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

it was snowy two weeks ago in yosemite... it is probably going to still be snowy there now. I would recommend building a snow shelter and getting a 0 degree bag man..


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Re: Sleeping Bags [Re: vivid]
    #5707267 - 06/03/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well i live about 4 hours north of yosimite and can tell you around here its springtime. I seriously doubt it will get down to 10 degrees. Lately, (in the valley) its been in the 70s-80s during the day and maybe down to the 40s at night. But elevation and where your at in the park could make a difference.


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