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shroominDole
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
#5713014 - 06/04/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Always be sure you have several clear, distinct, seperated concentric rings like those on your shrooms and definate distinct warts on the cap.......there are also yellow A. gemmata and pure yellow forms of A. pantherina are VERY common.....there are also yellowish forms of deadly white Amanitas like Ocreata and forms of deadly Phalloides
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: shroominDole]
#5713113 - 06/04/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroominDole said: there are also yellow A. gemmata and pure yellow forms of A. pantherina are VERY common.....there are also yellowish forms of deadly white Amanitas like Ocreata and forms of deadly Phalloides
Really? I knew phalloides can take on a yellowish hue, but do you think it's easily mistaken for A. muscaria var. formosa?
As far as Amanita muscaria var. formosa, which is obviously what these mushrooms are, I'd think twice about eating them. The nausea/vomiting that is associated with A. muscaria is usually assoicated with variety formosa. If it were me, I would definately not sample these mushrooms.
I've had the chance to sample some Amanita muscaria var. muscaria (blood red ones) that I've found, but I just tossed them. After reading trip reports about this mushroom I've decided that it would probably be a horrible experience. Not worth it man. Find some actual psilocybian mushrooms.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: Gumby]
#5713718 - 06/05/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The warts are not anything to worry about - they are veil remnants from when the mushroom opened out of its "egg like" casing (see the pic).

The top part of the veil dried up and stays on the top of the mushroom.
For those who are worried about the amanita trip I'd suggest watching this little video series. Just to get an idea that its not as unliked by everyone as its made out...  [url=youtube.com/watch?v=1HhANOeD1I4&search=sacred%20weeds[/url] [url=youtube.com/watch?v=4aVIQa9sHvM&search=sacred%20weeds[/url] [url=youtube.com/watch?v=42ONiypMA2w&search=sacred%20weeds[/url] [url=youtube.com/watch?v=XQkcvdOrPew&search=sacred%20weeds[/url] [url=youtube.com/watch?v=H3Mofc_rsf4&search=sacred%20weeds[/url]
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: Feelers]
#5713901 - 06/05/06 03:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Feelers, this looks like a cool mini series!! I think that is what it is, thanks for the link!
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: CureCat]
#5713988 - 06/05/06 05:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Feelers, this looks like a cool mini series!!
Yeah! I was quite impressed with the series - just search for "sacred weeds" on youtube.com and you can see the other legal drugs they tested - henbane, blue lotus, salvia.
It was cool to see people take these in the presence of oxford proffessors etc.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: CureCat]
#5714003 - 06/05/06 05:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gumby said: phalloides can take on a yellowish hue, but do you think it's easily mistaken for A. muscaria var. formosa?
not if the rest of my advice is used from the initial part of my reply which was my reason for posting it.....
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shroominDole also said: Always be sure you have several clear, distinct, seperated concentric rings like those on your shrooms and definate distinct warts on the cap.......
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LouiseLouiseaid: Those specimens have a clearly defined concentric rings at the base. In other specimens, those rings may not be as defined. Making it high risk for less than desirable effects.
100% correct......the velar remnants which are so important for seperating Amanitas are easily friable and or evanescent(disappearing)or just plain malformed to not at all.....Amanitas are characteristically highly variable as to how the velar ends up displayed and surviving environmental factors.....cant think how many times Ive seen Muscaria with no sign whatsoever of any well formed concentric ring, and no differentiation whatsoever of a free basal rim on Pantherina all the way to a well developed saccate volva and true full blown scull patch to completely naked......countless times where Velosa had developed a perfectly well formed superior membranous annulus !
Also many times with striations on the pileal margin for both Ocreata and Phalloides......and everyone has seen the Muscarias with absolutely no warts present.....and veils fall off and warts wash off.......in Phalloides the volva is commonly buried and commonly disintigrading......in our part of the country Muscaria and Phalloides can occur together occasionally under oak along the coast or even more so where both pine and oak are present together.....so yes I would say if you have mixed populations and quikly collecting yellow forms of Muscaria with malformed rings with the warts washed off and yellow variations of Phalloides are present that may have a malformed or lacerated volva and slighly striated or just overlooked margin you must play it safe although Ive witnessed alot of unsafe practices .....also there may be just one yellow Phalloides hiding in a group of the yellow Formosas which can be extremely pale yellow to white as can Phalloides.......youve always got to assume anything is possible becaause only one liver......and not even mentioning the potential problems of consuming the choice edibles Calyptratoides and Calyptrata/Calyptroderma with Phalloides present and of course the unsurpassed Velosa with Ocreata present and all their cross over color variations on the macro and the fact that they are some of the true camels of mushrooms commonly growing all the way into summer in the west weather permitting when NOTHING else is present and commonly side by side.....but Im still alive to lie about it and havent killed no one yet {I hope........joke)....love double negatives
EDIT: also Rebel like so many posting have only a very small number of posts a great number only 1, 2, 3, etc, and not saying its so in this thread but a large percentage have never picked, identified, or eaten a mushroom outside of something they bought from the store and many wouldnt know a mushroom from a fungus from a toadstool if ya know what I mean ......it can be quite a leap to jump into the arena of Amanitas which have killed more people than the others combined......to many of these people one yellow mushroom with free gills and white spores growing under the same Oak tree can look like another
EDIT: http://www.nemf.org/files/various/muscaria/part2.html
http://www.nemf.org/files/various/muscaria/part1.html
-------------------- Worlds Largest 'Liberty Cap' (Cali Libs Confirmed !) ' Comments On Hallucinogenic Agarics And The Hallucinations Of Those Who Study Them ' Alexander H. Smith Mycologia vol.69 1977
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: shroominDole]
#5719148 - 06/06/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea iknow and before i went out tasteing mushrooms and just looking on the net for key's and stuff, i was still afraid and went and bought books that are published and are varified for the facts and then got em and read em. THEN!!! I FOUND THIS MUSHROOM! and i was skeptical and i almost knew on the spot when i saw it that i thought i knew what it was and i knew that if it was what i thought then it'd tripp me out!! but then i was like, there are a ton of deadly look alikes of trippy mushrooms so i deffinitely gotta see and identify it and even though i have only one, i'lll print it even if doing so would kill my chances at eating it! so, identification is very fun to me and i guess i would consider it to be equally as important to me as tripping on one that i find! so i be sure to kill all my bias' when i identify and if i do have a question i ask someone who i know doesn't know anything about mushrooms and be like, "is this purpleish brown to black? or is it a dark rusty brown?" with out telling them anything of what on color could leed to! so i am very safe about my finding and consuming and i also had to check out the different cases of amouts to tripps and i saw on line that people eat a gram to two of them dry and then in my book it says that there is a few cases of people just nibbleing the wet cap and trippin hard! it also said that the effects were considered to be very unpleasent in some but the author said that he's tryed it and it wasn't nesseeecarillyuj to the point of wanting out asap but it was a way so that he has only done it once and need to do it again. he said that was common with people and this shroom. thanks guys for everything i just went back there today to see if any more came back yet cuz i don'tknow how long it would take for another to possibly pop up!?!?! if it even does happen! what do oyu guys think the chance of that would be?? and how long would be the min/max time before it is likely to happen again. sorry if this isn't toooooo coherient or the spelling is horrible im just alittle high  but this all isn't just mindless dribble hahaha:) ok later guys off to the food cabinet later -SenselessRebel
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: SenselessRebel]
#5719472 - 06/06/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's funny- I fing those here (in NC) on occasion about this time of yera- perhaps a wee bit earlier. And they all seem to (in comparison with my collectios of mid-late fall specimens) be tighter, more conical, and compact, and tell me this makes any sense: Produce a strikingly dissimilar experience than their fall counterparts. (and yes, of all things I am well aware of the variability of lookalikes within this complex). The vomiting, drunkish, sweating feelings are extremely pronunced whereas my specimens from collections in the same area in autumn have yeilded a far smoother (trip?) than was just mentioned. Of course this is noted by both historians and mycologists as pertaining to Muscaria. Oh well, just a thought. And yeah- judging by a great many things, eating this mushroom will confirm your dislike of it in a way I can probably not relate to you. Not many people dig this stuff....
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superblingtheory you seem to have personal experience with this mushroom...what do you think a suggested dose would be? i know some may be angry for me asking but im interested because some say just nibble which clearly wasn't enough for me to experience anything like these subjects in the youtube video but i was eating it wet. what do you suggest if i do endup finding more of these and do you have any idea of how long new ones will take to pop up if even they will? thanks everyone -SenselessRebel
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: SenselessRebel]
#5720549 - 06/06/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree with the previous posts, stay away from amanitas
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: PSylopHiLe]
#5720609 - 06/06/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Since my humor has no limits (none that I've found), I'd start with 2.5 or 3 grams (dried). This is best done by heating on low (275f) heat with the door to the oven open on a rack above a pan. Or make tea on med heat with 2.5 to 3g (I use five) to two cups of water for twenty or thirty minutes. I would also note that since (and please no offense intneded) you are rather anxious considering the nature of the substance, you may be interested to know that these specimens this time of year can have EXTREMELY sporadic fruitings. So good luck SenselessRebel! And thanks for providing pics/print.
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If you can get a fruit dehydrator and dry it till crispy or use the oven as above. Eating it fresh is likely to cause more nausea - as the chemicals have not been converted. If you use it dry - you can still steep it in a tea - makes it easier to swallow.
Dried is definately the way to go.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: Feelers]
#5723264 - 06/07/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sweet well wish i didn't muck this all up cuz i came home yesterday and the cap was molded!!!! ahhhh blower.....
superblingtheory sorry but im new at this what does sporadic fruitings mean? does that mean that they just randomly pop up in all differen't places??
ive asked this many times but what do you think the possiblity would be of more poping up there and how long do you think the min/max time would be for a new fruiting will take? sorry sporadic fruitings if you answered it just i don't know too much about what your talking about. THANKS GUYS! today i went walking in my neighborhood and found a handfull of mushrooms and im gonna put em up and see what people think they are. i just don't know how to go about IDing a mushroom using my book if i don't have any idea what they are? any ideas on how to go about this?
also, does the stem have any active things in it?? like if i try your tea method do you suppose the stem'll do anything? thanks everyone -SenselessRebel
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: SenselessRebel]
#5723288 - 06/07/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I doubt the stem is enough for a trip. Save, it- dry it out, and take it when you find some more actuves. But um, yes, the stem is active just like the cap.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: CureCat]
#5727095 - 06/08/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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how much do you think i should take???? cuz their dry now should i just make a pot of tea with both stems and just share it with a friend? -SenselessRebel
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: SenselessRebel]
#5727563 - 06/08/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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From the literature I've read the majority of the active compounds are found just under the skin of the cap.
I have access to hundreds and hundreds of amanitas - so I only keep the caps, and only on good specimens. If possible I get them at the end on the "golfball" stage, these were the most prized specimens by the indian shamans, supposedly the brighter red (or yellow in your case) small ones with loads of spots were the strongest.
SenselessRebel how many do you have available to eat? A medium dose is generally considered 2-3 medium sized caps. I would say 2 stems is equivilent to about 1/2 to 2/3s one cap. Remember potency changes alot with this species - however I'd recommend taking both at once, you dont have much material. Those are small specimens on the scale of things unfortunately.
You should get to level one, perhaps level 2. 
On the sporadic fruitings - it just means they have no rhyme or reason, they pop up again when ever they feel like it! If its not far away waiting a week or two to go back, preferably after a period of rain and you might get lucky.
As for taking them - if you can, grind em up with a mortar and pestle, lug them in a coffee or hot chocolate, and hopefully have a nice wee trip
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: Feelers]
#5742491 - 06/12/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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hahah thanks man yea i only got those two i have in my pic. thats all that was there. but yea im gonna keep checking back there for more. thanks guys! oh yea and my spores from earths tounge came today!!! yay! -SenselessRebel
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in the same sentence you told him "do some research" you named 4 mushroom types that are perfectly safe. you fucking moron!
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: skelitore]
#17022061 - 10/13/12 01:06 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Please stop insulting members that haven't logged on in years, and please stop bumping 6+ year old threads with irrelevant information!!
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Re: Amanita Muscaria??? found near DC [Re: Tangich]
#17022706 - 10/13/12 07:35 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lo fuckin L
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