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The approaching singularity... perhaps
#5706848 - 06/03/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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basically: Time and space do not really exist. This is already understood by quantum physics and spirituality. What we percieve as time, the linear unfolding of moments one after another, is an illusion created by the temporary limitations of our conciousness, which make it impossible for us to percieve the holy moment in its entirety , so we break it up into an infinite number of times and places.
THis creates the illusion of flowing time and geometric space. Anyways! basically the true nature of reality is like, one single infinitely dense moment. Just like if you took all the colours of the rainbow and combined them into one point, you would get apparently clear white light, so if you combine all the events of universal history into one, you get... well, a radiant spot of white light, a hole, emptyness that is full of everything, nirvana.
Anyways. My feeling was that we are now in the process of returning to our whole and rightfull state of conciousness, transcending these illusions and reawakening to the complete moment... As this process continues, we will continue to see wonderous things, expand our minds and have adventures... but eventually it will "conclude" so to speak, in one instant of enlightenment. This moment is called "the singularity" or "the end of history" and it may well land at 2012
Ok... im losing myself, losing you. Let me try another approach. READ THIS ONE!
ok. Lets say a man is infront of a mirror. He is looking at his own reflection. However, he does not know that it is reflection. He has never seen anything but this mirror, and to him, the mirror is "external reality". he begins to notice that when he moves, something changes in the mirror. When he moves his arm, something happens to his reality (the mirror). now he is excited! he has realized that he can act and thus impact his reality through action. The course of hunman history has been this long experiment, in testing the boundaries of how we can act and thus change what we think of as the outside world.
The next step, that only a select few have ever taken, is in realizing that the mirror is not the outside world at all, it is merely a reflection of our own selves. The world is the mirror of the self. All the things we are experiencing are in some occult way just vibrations cast out from our own mind/souls into the receptive pool of the universe... earth's wars are human nightmares, earth's gardens are human's pleasant dreams...
The final step in the process is the merging... the mirror and the mirrored become one. They fuse. the differance between the two, which was always illusionary, ceases. No more does the man take pleasure in moving his arm and watching the action mirrored back at him. Now him and him are one. There is no more "action" no more "change" no more perception of a percieved event and a perceiver. It is the singularity... In this sense, life ends, history ends... but only in as far as life and history have always been defined by an imaginary sense of seperation and aloneness.
I guess what i feel like we, me and you, are seeing now, is an increase in responsiveness in the universe. The life you are leading right now, ian, is very close to your ideal life, your deepest desires made real. As is my life a reflection of my deepest desires. This shows that we are well on the way on this path. We are realizing that what is outside is really just a reflection of what is inside, and because we are learning to love ourselves, we are learning to love our world. But imagine if this ask and recieve process (as in, ask for rainforest, get rainforest. ask for perfect job, get perfect job, ask for love, get love. ask for adventure, get adventure) that we seem to be involved in, was to speed up infinitely...
first we would see instant manifestation. You have only to want it and there it is in front of you. But in time this would give way to something else. Our desires would be fufilled before we were even concious of them. The intermediary stage between desire and fufillment would be cut out. Desire and fufillment would become one, as would perciever and percieved.
We are only begining to understand what this will look like, and there is only one way to find out.
PAY ATTENTION
because its happening right...
NOW.
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps *DELETED* [Re: Moonshoe]
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: soulcircus]
#5706890 - 06/03/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Has anyone herd about the massive solar flares from the sun that are suppose to hit us on 2011 ?
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: Moonshoe]
#5706976 - 06/03/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The life you are leading right now, ian, is very close to your ideal life
Who is Ian??
the true nature of reality is like, one single infinitely dense moment
On the path that has been traveled, there is no moving, On the path that has not been traveled, there is no moving either, And in some other place besides the path that has been travled and the path that has not, Motions are not perceptible in any way at all.
This is a verse written by a truly brilliant Buddha by the name of Nagarjuna in the 2nd century. He uses logical argumentation to show that the true nature of reality is in fact emptiness.
What does this particular verse mean? The first line says that on the path that has been traveled, there is no moving. Since we've already traveled along that path, there is no longer any motion there. There is nothing happening in the past. The past is dead and gone. On the path that has not been traveled, there is no moving either, since we have yet to travel on it. Thus there's nothing happening in the past or the future. And motions are not perceptible on some other part of the path, because there is no other part of the path. There is no such place that one either has not already been or has yet to go.
Okay, so you can't walk where you've already been, and you can't walk where you haven't yet been, but what about the present movement of the legs walking? It's just mere appearance, like walking in a dream: in between motion that has already happened and motion that has yet to happen, there is no present moment of motion - you just can't find it.
Snap your fingers. See if you can find the finger snap as it is happening. Is it happening in the present? When you snap your fingers, is that the present or the past? The first finger snap that has happened is the past - it is already over. The second snap has not happened yet, so that is the future. And in between these two, there is no present moment of the finger snap.
When we look at a finger snap, that moment can be divided into sixty-four individual units or instants, and those are said to be the most subtle moments of time in terms of what can actually be measured. But even those instants are likewise composed of millions of billions of tinier instants, and each of those instants is composed of an infinite number of subinstants, and you can keep going until finally you realize that there is no truly existent moment of time at all. There simply is no such thing as a "present moment."
Thus, since there is no time in which motion could occur, in genuine reality it does not occur. There is no coming, no going.
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: dblaney]
#5707039 - 06/03/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow
I understand what the verse is getting at, yet I cannot grasp it and truly realize the implications. It is something I've heard over and over. I always hear its not supposed to make sense. It will be realized when one is ready.
Yet I fail to see how this can be a progression in consciousness. I can vaguely see the benefits it holds. My question would be, what next? Or is this thinking in a way which is not compatible with singularity?
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: dblaney]
#5707066 - 06/03/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dblaney said: When we look at a finger snap, that moment can be divided into sixty-four individual units or instants, and those are said to be the most subtle moments of time in terms of what can actually be measured. But even those instants are likewise composed of millions of billions of tinier instants, and each of those instants is composed of an infinite number of subinstants, and you can keep going until finally you realize that there is no truly existent moment of time at all. There simply is no such thing as a "present moment."
Thus, since there is no time in which motion could occur, in genuine reality it does not occur. There is no coming, no going.
I would argue that this is not sufficient proof to arrive at such a conclusion. The present moment is infinitesimally small, yet it is there. I'm sure there are some crazy mathematicians out there who could take this on.
Our reality is the smoothing of these moments. It's like we are constantly taking a mental derivative in order to measure "change."
This singularity approach is like taking a shortcut which is obvious, yet has discontinuity and does not allow our current methods to work.
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: ACME]
#5707115 - 06/03/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ACME said: Has anyone herd about the massive solar flares from the sun that are suppose to hit us on 2011 ?
has anyone heard of the comet that was suposed to hit on may 25th?
 I like this idea.
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: palmersc]
#5707150 - 06/03/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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My question would be, what next?
Who knows? Just be mindful and live I suppose.
The present moment is infinitesimally small, yet it is there. I'm sure there are some crazy mathematicians out there who could take this on.
I disagree. Any mathematician worth his salt would tell you that no matter how small of a number or fraction you have, it can always be divided into smaller numbers or fractions, ad infinitum.
thinking in a way which is not compatible with singularity?
The idea of a singularity is an intriguing one. However, it strikes me that it serves more as a beacon of hope rather than an actual theory. People very often are dissatisfied with the way things currently are. So we look to the future and try to find something to grasp on to that will make us happy.
It's observable all over the place. Even with something like Bonnaroo: most of my friends have been talking about how excited they are and how great it's going to be for many months now. I don't doubt that it will be fun, but why do they care so much about something that won't happen for a long time? Because they don't truly enjoy the present.
Organized religion really preys on this. "Oh you don't like the way things are? Well just give us your money and your time and believe what we tell you, and in just a few short decades, when you die, you'll go up to a land of milk and honey and you'll have everything you want and things will be perfect." But you know what? These people probably wouldn't be able to enjoy heaven even if they went there when they died, because they can't enjoy the land of milk and honey on which we currently live!
I think a lot of the 2012 theories and singularity theories are along similar lines. People don't like the way their consciousness is, or are just generally unhappy, so when they hear that some incredible shift in consciousness or dimensional shift will happen, they cling on to it. Or if they hear that a singularity is approaching, they'll cling on to it.
No one knows where the path ahead of us will lead. What twists and turns and loops it will make. But if we allow ourselves to become absorbed in imagining what will happen, we're setting ourselves up for suffering and disappointment, and we'll miss out on where the path is right now.
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: dblaney]
#5707171 - 06/03/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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right on
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: Moonshoe]
#5707439 - 06/03/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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which singularity are you talking about?
there are atleast 5 different things that you could be referring to.
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5707673 - 06/03/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"there are at least five different things this could refer to"
i explained what i mean by singularity in my post.
However, i am quite interested in the five things that you have in mind. What are they?
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: Moonshoe]
#5707902 - 06/03/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looking at time on our human scale, then trying to figure out what all time would look like is a hopeless exercise, I think.
It would be like trying to figure out what a car transmission is supposed to do...while only looking at the motions of the individual atoms in the gears.
It's all about scale
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: Moonshoe]
#5708352 - 06/03/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: "there are at least five different things this could refer to"
i explained what i mean by singularity in my post.
However, i am quite interested in the five things that you have in mind. What are they?
there is a technological singularity which is the reason I clicked this thread.
there is a mathematical singularity .
There is a gravitational singularity .
.....but I still think this thread belongs in MRP.
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5709898 - 06/04/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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if time can be infinitely divided, then are there no real primary units of time? and do biological processes adhere to some unit of time?
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5710430 - 06/04/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, you listed at least three.....
But, from what I've come to understand, three and five are different numbers, and three isn't at least five....
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: fireworks_god]
#5710525 - 06/04/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Well, you listed at least three.....
But, from what I've come to understand, three and five are different numbers, and three isn't at least five....
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 Peace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity
there is a disambiguation page on wiki that has 6 entries regarding "singularity".
I figured I would spare you from even posting the Star Trek episode.
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Re: The approaching singularity... perhaps [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5710692 - 06/04/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was just being an amused fool, is all. 
 Peace.
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