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wyldeman007
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Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers
#5706475 - 06/03/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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NOOB here! Hi! Does anybody have incite on my problem? Our mushrooms took an unacceptably long time to grow and when the cake finally took fruit they had utterly no effect from consumption.. Well let me begin, we got the kit about a year ago and set it up in a friends attic. We went through the inoculation process with no incident, i was impressed with the ease of setup. Later; i mean much later (5 months) the mycelium cakes were ready, I'm no expert but i would hope it shouldn't take THAT long. With that fact aside we got the inadequate cakes ready for birthing by cold shocking. Correct me if I'm wrong but the cakes should in fact be fully colonized, and not paper thin like ours just around the outside not colonized fully. We proceeded with birthing by placing the cakes we cut in half [i was wondering if not adding enough water prior to inoculation would attribute to the under developed mycelium] in the perlite filled chamber. About 2 weeks went by and nothing then the next day the mushrooms began to sprout up and as instructed by this site we harvested them when the veil tore out from the gills. After obtaining about 20 dried mushrooms our 'Guinea pig' ate them all and felt ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! I don't know what the problem could be.. could some one who knows what they're talking about give me some help? Thanx!
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"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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kilroy
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: wyldeman007]
#5706502 - 06/03/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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All I can really tell you is that you need to fully let them colonize and then go 3-4 days more to make sure the middle is done as well. Wow that was along time for them to colonize. inncubating temps are best kept around 80-83f degrees, hotter or colder they take longer to colonize. I don`t think many really cold shock much any more except for certain types. After you birth you should dunk them for about12-16 hours to replace the water they used when colonizing. I hope this helped a little. I am sure that more will respond when it gets light out agn(lol)GL
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MLBjammer
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: kilroy]
#5706833 - 06/03/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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A multispore inoculation (using a syringe) should never take 5 months. First thing, those cakes were bone dry, and it's amazing you got any fruits at all. The substrain you used may or may not be very potent, but the cakes were likely wiped out of nutrients in that 5 month span (and moisture). Learn to make your own jars, purchase a syringe from a vendor here, and go at it the right way. From inoculation, you should see some growth within a 2-week timespan, and you should have fully-colonized cakes within a 3- to 5-week period. Check out Creamcorn's tips for speeding up PF jars--very helpful. GL.
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deathdes
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: MLBjammer]
#5706867 - 06/03/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ya man i have never seen anything take that long and have tried about 20 different strain from hard to easy the hardest waz Brazil and still it did not take me 5 months but anyhow you said you got a kit waz it the box style and waz it the jars or test tubs set up this all very with the time frame and waz it grain or elc. mostly waz it just sitting there or in an incubator as for potency thats probably the type of grain used for most kit are made for normal mushrooms so they dont worry about the potency factor. and did you case it for it to take 2 weeks to fruit or just let the cakes fruit
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Orrisa India very nice strain.
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wyldeman007
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: deathdes]
#5707206 - 06/03/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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How necessary is it to let them colonize all the way through the cake? I got my kit from a website through High Times Magazine, ( Keepers Kits )The MGK was the name of the product, and the Star Gazers syringe are the spores we used so far..( Keeper's Spores ) Yeah we didn't dunk the jars like you suggested during the birthing. Our incubation environment for the cakes was about 90 degrees due to a faulty aquarium heater. When mixing the substrate prior to inoculating we were unsure the amount of water to add and didn't want it to be too wet so we tried to be safe and it was probably too dry. Would not having sufficient nutrients over the course of colonization affect the potency by a considerable amount? By the way we fruited directly from the cakes (cut in half and dunked for 24 hours) Thanks again!
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"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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DragonChaser
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: wyldeman007]
#5707381 - 06/03/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its so much easier to make your own jars. Don't do the PFtek dude, its just a pain. Go with WBS to poop and do a casing layer as well. My WBS jars took a little over a week to colonize from a multispore inoculation. Dragon
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Optx
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: wyldeman007]
#5707621 - 06/03/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dude the keeper is a fucking RIPOFF go to 1 of the reputable vendors that the Shtoomery approves of, you'll have much better esults and spend about 1/4 of what the keeper charges. that guy is a fucking douche and a half
go here -> http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php
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kilroy
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: Optx]
#5707771 - 06/03/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a friend who gets high times and it is fun to read but I would not order anything from the ones in thier. Our venders are the best and love to help thier customers unlike alot of the others. If we use them that should say alot about them because this is a great group on this board and we hate rip off artist who only care about money and not people. try agn with someone new from here and learn from these people on hte best ways to do this wonderful type of study
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wyldeman007
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: kilroy]
#5707945 - 06/03/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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At first the keeper kit seemed like an awesome idea, oh man i was ripped big time! I was somewhat hesitant at the price when i bought it, now i know why lol. How do i go about ordering the correct spores? I went to the vendors page and only found more message boards: Do i contact them via email? and where may I find their inventories? Sorry for all the questions! I am very appreciative of all the help; kilroy, MLBjammer, deathdes, DragonChaser and Optx! Your input is well valued, it has given me and my friends much inspiration and new roads of cultivation! thanks again!
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"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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Optx
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: wyldeman007]
#5708632 - 06/03/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you gotta click on the website name, not the user name
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kilroy
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: Optx]
#5708643 - 06/03/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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look for ralphster in the sponses forum ralphster44 I think and click his name and then look for his home page listed there and boom you are there and remember the spore of the month when you order, shroomery members get it free and I have never had a problem with them.
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Tweexican
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Re: Faulty Spores? NOOB QUESTIONS/First timers [Re: kilroy]
#5709372 - 06/03/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the shroomery isn't the only message board devoted to mycology with sponsors that offers its members great deals on supplies.
i know mycotopia has their own patron vendors just like we do here.
you could always check out what they have to offer over there as well. maybe some of their sponsors could even become some of our sponsors, adding to the proliferation of all .
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wyldeman007
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Second attempt (new batch) z-strain [Re: Tweexican]
#5710017 - 06/04/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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We have a syringe of z-strain, i don't know the credibility of the keepers site but supposedly it's a good strain according to the keeper. Hopefully we'll have a more responsive experience with it then the previous ordeal. Previously the other syringe, the star gazers, in which we used for our first attempt, sat in a less than adequate friends refrigerator along with this one. I'm hoping not, but actually wondering if this syringe is waste effort. Unless, it could still have hope not due to the storage but to the process of incubation/growth stage, we applied our novice technique/equipment failure. Should we even use the syringe and waste using our substrate mix potentially or just buy fresh spores with our newly acquired vendors? By the way you guys are awesome!
p.s. My friend who tried the alleged impotent mushrooms had sort of a low i mean low level bad trip. He took them (19 dried 1/16 ounce) at 12:30 and couldn't feel anything at all until he laid down to sleep at about 3:00 am or so, and experienced mild closed eye visuals, paranoia and severe insomnia. He did not sleep at all and is still awake at this time.
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"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
Edited by wyldeman007 (06/04/06 01:37 AM)
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kilroy
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Re: Second attempt (new batch) z-strain [Re: wyldeman007]
#5710695 - 06/04/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Make up some of your own jars to be sure of them and then I say give it a try, you already have them why not worse case is you have lost nothing but time and a few bucks for the mixture. But I do recomend that you buy from a vender that advertises on here and if you need help on info about pf tek this is the place to be. you can pm me with questions if you want if you just need reasurance on some things as well. GL with your study. A TiT(tub in tub incubator is a very good idea and they easy to build even if you do not have alot of room. I use to 10 gal rubbermaid containers for mine so they fit under a bed easy, just a thought and you can regulate the temp much easier.
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