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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5706561 - 06/03/06 03:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

well i would go there or email adam at hempworks and work out a deal. they never sell hemp seed but sure as hell can get it on call. i believe theres is the tall growing kind. if you want a short growing kind i would look into hybrids. even if they arent considered hybrids i believe as well as many others that low growing hemp is a hybrid. oh yeah and your seed will be cheap.


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5706562 - 06/03/06 03:14 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

you will be fine ordering them. no worries.


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: Magash]
    #5706563 - 06/03/06 03:14 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

well the seeds i want the msot are Master Kush but online seeds are just a dream for another few years, i think i can grow good enough to get KB out of BS


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5706564 - 06/03/06 03:16 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i tried that hempworks and didnt see a seed bank anywhere there, maybe im jsut gay or something...


Edited by calab (06/03/06 03:17 AM)


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5706572 - 06/03/06 03:21 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

if you could get me a link to connect straight to that bank, OR and email adress to send a message to, but now i think im gunna get off and go to ebd to find my spot in the morning for my plants to be moved to, keep posting and helping me out here thanks alot man


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5707029 - 06/03/06 11:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

calab said:
i think i can grow good enough to get KB out of BS


HAHAHAHAHA, good luck with that.


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: Anonymous]
    #5707036 - 06/03/06 11:41 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

ive already studied enough about it to be able to get it finsished by the 3rd generation


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5707048 - 06/03/06 11:46 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

But you can't take some bullshit mexican brickweed bagseeds and get White Rhino,etc from it. Genetics play a big factor


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5707108 - 06/03/06 12:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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ShroomieOfDoomie said:
lowryder is ruderalis crossed with prime skunk strains. so its got potency from the skunk, but its got poor gentics from the ruderalis,




Williams wonder x NL#5 x Mexican land race/ruderalis is what i believe lowryder claims to be. Unless there is skunk in the Willy or NL, I think you are wrong.


I'm not sure what the Mexican landrace/ruderalis is though.. I have seen it listed as both, but i dont think a true ruderalis would grow in Mexico.

Rudes are, imho, from Europe and Russia, where they received less than optimal light, temp, soil etc, and evolved into shitty bud. But this is only because they had poor conditions. I bet that one could breed it back to respectability within 10 years.

I'm not sure that there is any ruderalis in lowryder. The first thing everyone says is "well why is it so short then?" Well because it doesn't have a true vegetative state. If you germinated a bunch of beans and found a freak AK-47 (or whatever strain) that auto flowered, you would try to keep it genetics, Even if it was the worst looking seedling ever!

Unlike most strains where the focus is Yield(power plant), Taste (blueberry) High, (Haze) or Stone (Afghan) the focus is the AF trait.

I think its all in the genetics. Duckfoot, for example, is a clone only (i believe) strain. For those unfamiliar, ducksfoot has its leaves fused together, so they don't look like regular 5,7,9, leafed pot leaves. But the reason it is clone only, is because the gene for the fused leaves is recessive, and I believe its more than one gene that is recessive. (I'm not an expert yet on botany, but i believe that leave fusion is semi-common in the plant world, and probably has a technical name.

More than one gene makes it all the more difficult to find in its offspring. But. Lowryder on the other hand can be crossed with some strains and get a 25% AF rate in its F1 seeds.
25% = 1 in 4 = what you would expect for one gene.

But not all crosses with LOW are 25%, so to me this means that, there are more than one set of genes, but some strains already have the one of the AF genes turned on. It is still possible to get the AF genes out of the crosses that F1 were not @ 25%, but it takes a bigger sample size.

This is my understanding of lowryder and the AF gene in my fav plant. I'm not saying that there isn't a rude in there, I'm just not convinced, and i don't believe there had to be.


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5707189 - 06/03/06 12:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

no but you can get 2 different types and do this:

A=mom / B=dad
Gen 1:
Plant A x Plant B=ABseed
Plant C x Plant D=CDseed

AB=mom / CD=dad
Gen 2:
Plant AB x CD=ABCDseed

ABCD=end hybrid
Gen3:
Plant ABCD seeds should produce Gen4: being a good, no seeded KB or sexed to get mroe ABCD seeds

*female ABCDs should produce no seed/very little due to no pollination by male, makeing some good bud... If hermaphrodyte, sex to female carefully to not pollinate*




IF WHAT I READ WAS CORRECT....


Edited by calab (06/03/06 12:40 PM)


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5707195 - 06/03/06 12:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You might as well just start with lowryder then.


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: Anonymous]
    #5707213 - 06/03/06 12:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

but what i read could have been wrong or i could have jsut worded that wrong..... if thats incorrect please be quick to shut me down and correct me


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5707219 - 06/03/06 12:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i might later on in my life, if i dont end up mastering my new breed im trying to produce


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5707669 - 06/03/06 03:53 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

calab said:
no but you can get 2 different types and do this:

A=mom / B=dad
Gen 1:
Plant A x Plant B=ABseed
Plant C x Plant D=CDseed

AB=mom / CD=dad
Gen 2:
Plant AB x CD=ABCDseed

ABCD=end hybrid
Gen3:
Plant ABCD seeds should produce Gen4: being a good, no seeded KB or sexed to get mroe ABCD seeds






IF WHAT I READ WAS CORRECT....




That doesn't make much sense to me :confused:
what i think you said is this
if you take a Haze and breed with Afghan
and you take a NL and breed with a Pure power plant

You then have two different F1's if you breed these two different f1's I'm pretty sure the offspring is an f1 still, because your not crossing it with its siblings. 

You end up with a Haze-AfghanxNL-PPP  this is not a 4th generation. and as far as

Quote:

calab said:

*female ABCDs should produce no seed/very little due to no pollination by male, making some good bud... If hermaphrodyte, sex to female carefully to not pollinate*




Any female without male pollen will produce little to no seeds.  Breeding does not affect seed production for the most part (well bigger buds can produce more seeds, but that is not we want)


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5707680 - 06/03/06 03:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

right, i said that for the ABCD seed to reproduce the strain


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5707681 - 06/03/06 03:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

the seed bank is THSeeds but they dont have it on there menu you have to request it.


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: durban_poison]
    #5707684 - 06/03/06 03:57 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

okay ill check it out


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5707685 - 06/03/06 03:57 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

if you have any excyclopedias check out the H one for Hybrid, and it will give u a picture and description of corn being cross bread


Edited by calab (06/03/06 04:09 PM)


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5707704 - 06/03/06 04:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Im thinking about this one here

http://www.thseeds.com/pages/en_choc.htm

Pure Indica, 100-125cm (3.28ft-4.10ft), 55-60days flowering


Edited by calab (06/03/06 04:07 PM)


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Re: Cannabis Ruderalis Breeds &/or Seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
    #5707762 - 06/03/06 04:25 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

well i understand the significance of 4 and the true meaning of 'hybrid'. If i used hybrid earlier, i meant to use 'cross' instead.

No comments for or against, on my lack of faith in the ruderalis lineage of lowryder? The novelty of having a 5-14" plant is the serious reason for the genetics. you could easily train a plant to be whatever height you wanted with a screen. Lowryder is a pony. Not fast enough for the derby, or strong enough to pull a plow, but easier to hide from the neighbors.


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