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OfflineAsmbandits
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substrate's which one do I use?
    #5704713 - 06/02/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So, I use to spend alot of time on this site about 3 years ago, and have done my share of growning, but now I feel the time has come to grow again and on a much larger scale.. Because I have been out of the loop for a while now, I was wondering if anyone had any tips for a substrate mixture that they like, (last time I was growin on honey nut Cheerios with great results :laugh:) but I was just have'n fun then but I want to find a substrate that would produce a high yeild.. I will be doing castings and the strain will be B+, Keepers creepers, and gulf coast :syringe:.. anyone have any ideas?? also mabey some good casting mixtures as well??


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5704747 - 06/02/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Case some WBS or rye spawned to Hpoo. = sexyness


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5704754 - 06/02/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I prefer to use filter patch spawn bags and have concocted the following recipe:

Substrate Mix for Spawn Bags

Yield: 4 large filter patch spawn bags

Ingredients:
48 Cups Shredded Horse Manure
24 Cups Vermiculite
16 ½ Cups Wild Bird Seed
4 Tablespoons Kelp Meal
6 Tablespoons Canola Oil
21 Cups Water

Directions:
1. Mix all dry ingredients together thoroughly.
2. Add water gradually and mix by hand.
3. Add Canola Oil.
4. Load bags evenly.
5. Pressure cook for 3 ½ hours @ 15 PSI.
6. Allow to cool for one hour and remove from cooker.
7. Impulse seal bags on setting 5 for 5 seconds.
8. Hang to cool.

I also use Blue Helix's Spawn Bag tek.


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: Wronguy]
    #5704776 - 06/02/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Nice, I like the sound of that Wronguy.. I figure the more I put in there the higher chance of contamination so the key i guess is to find the right balance point.. anyone have a "secret ingredient" for the casting mixture?


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: Wronguy]
    #5704848 - 06/02/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Wronguy said:
I prefer to use filter patch spawn bags and have concocted the following recipe:

Substrate Mix for Spawn Bags

Yield: 4 large filter patch spawn bags

Ingredients:
48 Cups Shredded Horse Manure
24 Cups Vermiculite
16 ½ Cups Wild Bird Seed
4 Tablespoons Kelp Meal
6 Tablespoons Canola Oil
21 Cups Water

Directions:
1. Mix all dry ingredients together thoroughly.
2. Add water gradually and mix by hand.
3. Add Canola Oil.
4. Load bags evenly.
5. Pressure cook for 3 ½ hours @ 15 PSI.
6. Allow to cool for one hour and remove from cooker.
7. Impulse seal bags on setting 5 for 5 seconds.
8. Hang to cool.

I also use Blue Helix's Spawn Bag tek.




That is the best recipe ever! I am beginning to go slightly lighter on the oil and kelp (due to fermentation issues). And make sure to get COARSE grade vermiculite its a hundred times better then the fine shit.


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5704856 - 06/02/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Also, if you want to fruit in the bag, use that recipe to make 8 bags, they will weight approx. 2.5 pounds each as opposed to 5. Much more room to fruit... just inject with 60cc of healthy LC and that shit will be colonized in no time  :smile:


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: Wronguy]
    #5705497 - 06/02/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What exactly does the kelp meal and canola oil do here?


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: MasFina]
    #5705602 - 06/02/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, i was also wondering the same thing, I have heardof adding a little corn syrupto the water to help develope faster, but kelp meal?? not knockin it just wondering what the value is of this?


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5706814 - 06/03/06 07:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

kelp meal is very high in nitrogen, im assuming that is the reason it was added... i had just researched it when i was planning my compost plans, odd it was mentioned so soon after my research lol maybe im psychic


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5706820 - 06/03/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I use either PFtek or bird seed to complete a few jars and then spawn the jars to poop.


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: MasFina]
    #5707367 - 06/03/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the oil is for good fats. the kelp meal is a very good source of nitrogen and its plant based as opposed to blood meal... thats a plus in my eyes. You can add these things because you are going to sterilize the substrate. If you were only going to pasteurize, you would be much more limited. The mushrooms love the extra nutrition  :wink:


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5707467 - 06/03/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

do you use these to spawn to more poo? i have heard poo doesn't do well
spawning to more poo


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: BPJohnny]
    #5708274 - 06/03/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't. you could but its so easy to just inject another bag... would be a good idea for an out door patch. Also remember that this isn't only poo, there is alot of grain and vermiculite mixed in. I think that straight poo does not spawn well because of its texture. With this recipe, the texture is much more defined, crisper. The mycelium can easily grab on...


But yeah, I just cut the recipe in-half, to make 2.5 pound bags. Inject with 60cc healthy LC incubate in darkness for 10-14 days - till fully colonized. then just expose to light and fruit in the bag. I have been getting results similar to Hydr0420's spawn bag tek... If I had a digital camera I'd do a nice write up... maybe ill get one soon.


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5708373 - 06/03/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you could do straw logs or whole casings

i perfer straw because its easy to get then the correct type of poo lol


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: accesstwo]
    #5794408 - 06/26/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In the recipee, is the birdseed already hydrated or added dry right out of the package? Also how deos doing it this way compare to just spawning wbs to hpoo? Is it quicker overall? More or less yield?


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: davesj1]
    #5794475 - 06/26/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You need to aggitate the husk membrane until you see growth in the upper ischial callosities, or simply invest in a reverse pressure intractor and you wont even have to worry about it. thats what i use, my grandpa turned me onto it.


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Re: substrate's which one do I use? [Re: davesj1]
    #5795074 - 06/27/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Also, if your sterilizing everything, wont there be a higher chance of contams later down the road due to the destruction of beneficial microorganisms?


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