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DoctorJ


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idealism
#5704583 - 06/02/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am an idealist optimist
though I get disappointed a lot
and I sometimes descend into cynicism
I am truly an optimist idealist at heart
The solutions to the world's problems are very simple
and yet they don't work
Why?
because nobody believes!
nobody believes in themselves, their communities, or humanity as a whole
If people simply acknowledged these simple truths: that we are all one race, and that all our fates are connected, that there are common goals we all must share,
the world's problems would quickly solve themselves
but nobody believes in the idealist
they think him a fool
naive
they are too cynical to admit his ideas might pan out
if they were given a chance
the materialist cynics are truly dangerous forces
for our thoughts shape our realities
and those who rule out the possibility of peace via cynicism
are the ones who create war!
they create the need for it
by rejecting a simpler solution
"Peace on earth! yeah, right! That'll never happen!"
these are dangerous thoughts to have!
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leery11
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Re: idealism [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704645 - 06/02/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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No one believes that peace doesn't work.
The authorities believe that peace doesn't work and trick everyone else into thinking it's their own idea.
It's kind of like the war on drugs. Oh bother we're losing the war on drugs... we'd better fight it harder. No one ever stops to think... wait why do we have a war on drugs?
the most troubling thing is the "consensus reality" to use your terms that the television creates for us. one of endless pessimism...
then there is this suicidal idealism that somehow at the last minute after the apocalypse happens we will change our ways and create a high tech solution to save the world.
why don't they make a movie about us saving the world before it needs saving, so that we can succede in saving it?
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (06/02/06 04:09 PM)
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DoctorJ


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Re: idealism [Re: leery11]
#5704807 - 06/02/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, well people ain't good at plannin ahead, mang
its really pathetic if you ask me
the future is important
lots of cool stuff to come!
if we can make it that far!
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leery11
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Re: idealism [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704827 - 06/02/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe if we put THC in the drinking water?
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Re: idealism [Re: leery11]
#5704859 - 06/02/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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leery11 said: The authorities believe that peace doesn't work and trick everyone else into thinking it's their own idea.
It isn't necessarily as though that they do not believe that peace will not effectively provide for a proper society and its management, it is simply that they realize that peace will not work for them, as the power that they are granted by the system that is currently in place would have to be given up by them, and they, for a great multitude of possible reasons, simply do not want to release their grip on that power.
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wait why do we have a war on drugs?
The war on drugs originally started as a means of controlling a certain population that used those drugs. In the United States, it started in the Southwest, in order to take power over the immigrant Mexican workers. Eventually, the War on Drugs became federal in order for the federal government to maintain power over the individual states. The War on Drugs has been effectively utilized to establish and maintain power in a lot of different situations and manners.
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the most troubling thing is the "consensus reality" to use your terms that the television creates for us. one of endless pessimism...
The sense of consensual reality amongst Americans might have similarities to the presentations through the television, but the media isn't the ultimate source of that consensual reality. For a time, it was a powerful influence, but things are changing, and the name of this change is the Internet.. the effects that blogs have had on the political side of things should illustrate this. Also, even if someone were to watch television eight hours a day, that's only 1/3 of the day. The sense of television as you propose it might be a bit exaggerated, but perhaps it is through this exaggeration that we steer clear of the exaggeration being realized. 
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why don't they make a movie about us saving the world before it needs saving, so that we can succede in saving it?
This relates to what I was just saying, I think. 
Like, for instance, perhaps the government isn't trying to take away all of our freedoms, but as vigilant Americans, we should certainly act as though it were, in order to ensure that our rights aren't subtly taken from us. 
Fuck them and their fucking horses, god damn it! 
 Peace.
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Re: idealism [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704873 - 06/02/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bertrand Russell on idealism:
"If we say that the things known must be in the mind, we are either un-duly limiting the mind's power of knowing, or we are uttering a mere tautology. We are uttering a mere tautology if we mean by 'in the mind' the same as by 'before the mind', i.e. if we mean merely being apprehended by the mind. But if we mean this, we shall have to admit that what, in this sense, is in the mind, may nevertheless be not mental. Thus when we realize the nature of knowledge, Berkeley's argument is seen to be wrong in substance as well as in form, and his grounds for supposing that 'idea'-i.e. the objects apprehended-must be mental, are found to have no validity whatever. Hence his grounds in favour of the idealism may be dismissed."
What thinkest thou?
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leery11
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fireworks_god said:
It isn't necessarily as though that they do not believe that peace will not effectively provide for a proper society and its management, it is simply that they realize that peace will not work for them, as the power that they are granted by the system that is currently in place would have to be given up by them, and they, for a great multitude of possible reasons, simply do not want to release their grip on that power.
Absolutely. I mean that too.
But if that's the case, does that mean that world peace will eventually happen when they realize they have no other choice but to stop having wars?
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fireworks_god said:
Like, for instance, perhaps the government isn't trying to take away all of our freedoms, but as vigilant Americans, we should certainly act as though it were, in order to ensure that our rights aren't subtly taken from us. 
Fuck them and their fucking horses, god damn it! 
 Peace.
right on. But that's fear mongering, and that's how they get their agendas across too!
I don't know I try to speek alarmingly because what I realize is alarming.... and if I just blandly say "you know the television is a bad influence" it doesn't work as if I scream YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME! to a Christian (which I haven't done but would be fun)
think about it... it is idolatry. 8 hours a day with the TV. 15 minutes at night with God saying a brief prayer? Ummmm yeah that's idolatry....
or at least sort of.
I dunno we just need independent media like the free speech tv channel. They need to let me on TV so I can rant about things and maybe wear colorful hats.
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Re: idealism [Re: leery11]
#5704913 - 06/02/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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leery11 said: right on. But that's fear mongering, and that's how they get their agendas across too!
If it is practiced in a conscious, reasonable manner, it does not involve fear in any manner. It is simply an honest assessment of the activities and behaviors of others. If they are initiating action and proclaiming that it is addressing this concern, one must always question what is going on behind the scenes, who is gaining from what, and we must openly question that, to realize the boundaries that we must protect in order to ensure that too much unnecessary power is not seized.
There is nothing inherently wrong with power, and the old saying that implies that the greatest power will corrupt all is simply not true. All power requires an individual to be programmed in a specific manner in order to effectively utilize that power without becoming consumed by it. Politicians are the way they are right now because we, as a society, are not consciously influencing the development of our society and its individuals in a manner that will produce effective, beneficial leaders who will maintain integrity, respect the role they play for what it should be, and ensure that the action we engage in as a government is in the best interest of the development of our country, our individuals, every other country, ultimately, our environment, which includes all of this.
Now, is such a viewpoint idealistic? Absolutely. Idealism, to me, represents a goal. A goal, by itself, of course, is worthless, but a goal, accompanied with awareness, focus, the realization of what needs to occur in order to fufill the goal, and the action itself that will fufill the goal will move mountains, bring realization and peace to an individual, and will effect change so full of purpose that its outcome will be sustained throughout existance. 
 Peace.
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