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Re: Wild Bird Seed Soak Question [Re: indianprincess]
    #5705276 - 06/02/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I used foomanshroom's tek for my last two batches of wbs and it really doesn't get any easier.




The way I do it isn't really simmering, but rather steeping the seed. Simmering is nothing new. Doc34 has his tek archived  HERE. In the tek, he states to simmer to ensure you get the "perfect" water content. I agree. The heat of the water forces the grain to absorb the water in a fraction of the time it does by just soaking.

I think because Agar posted the "Soaking- Final Answer" deal, that everyone is stuck on soaking being the only way to do it- I say HORSESHIT! Perfect moisture content? I get it EVERY TIME and it takes less than an hour. It's not that I'm lazy or impatient, I just don't  like to waste time.

I'm not knocking the soaking method. If you want to wait 12,24,48 hours to get the same results I get in 1 - go right ahead!  :smile:


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Re: Wild Bird Seed Soak Question [Re: FooMan]
    #5705447 - 06/02/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

but the soak is also there to germinate the bacterial endospores... isn't it?


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Re: Wild Bird Seed Soak Question [Re: dudefromaz]
    #5705547 - 06/02/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

maybe there was a problem with the parent jars?


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Re: Wild Bird Seed Soak Question [Re: dudefromaz]
    #5705607 - 06/02/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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but the soak is also there to germinate the bacterial endospores... isn't it?




Absolutely. The thing is, WBS doesn't contain large grains for the most part. An endospore is just a spore within the grain. The seed is small, so the heat from PC'ing easily penetrates it. IME, rye needs soaking, not WBS.


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Re: Wild Bird Seed Soak Question [Re: BPJohnny]
    #5705635 - 06/02/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

FooManShroom writes:
"I think because Agar posted the "Soaking- Final Answer" deal, that everyone is stuck on soaking being the only way to do it- I say HORSESHIT! Perfect moisture content? I get it EVERY TIME and it takes less than an hour. It's not that I'm lazy or impatient, I just don't like to waste time."

If the issue is expenditure of time I guarantee that you spend more time simmering than I spend soaking.

I dump 5lbs of WBS into a container and fill it with water. My entire participation is about a minute, if that. You have to do all that plus monitor the heat and stir.

I'm not saying soaking is the alpha and the omega of hydrating WBS. Both styles have its pros and cons. But the simmering method clearly requires more babysitting than a soak, and therefore more "wasted time." It also has a steeper learning curve since clearly people can (and do) get the moisture wrong using the simmer method.

On the other hand, if a person can comprehend "remove WBS from water when water level doesn't drop any more," they can do perfect moisture WBS.

But, as you pointed out, what that person won't get is WBS ready to PC in 2 hours.

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Re: Wild Bird Seed Soak Question [Re: splifner180]
    #5705726 - 06/02/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sometimes I do 50-60 pounds of WBS at a time . I think it would take me forever to do it this way . I just fill 2 five gallon buckets full , let it soak a day , drain and PC .

I can see this being helpful if only doing a few jars . I just don't ever do a few , lol .

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Re: Wild Bird Seed Soak Question [Re: BPJohnny]
    #5705814 - 06/02/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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maybe there was a problem with the parent jars?




That could be BPJohnny. I didn't think of that. The parent jars seemed fully colonized. But a couple of them had "dry" spots that were hard to tell if they were colonized or not. I have one now where 99.9% is colonized but the bottom has like 15 pieces of birdseed that are not colonized - they are seperate from the "mother chunk" and the 15 pieces look just like they did after soaking and rinsing. I tried to take a picture of the bottom - I'm not sure if it showed up well. See what it looks like to you?



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Re: Wild Bird Seed Soak Question [Re: HippieChick]
    #5705849 - 06/02/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Sometimes I do 50-60 pounds of WBS at a time . I think it would take me forever to do it this way . I just fill 2 five gallon buckets full , let it soak a day , drain and PC .

I can see this being helpful if only doing a few jars . I just don't ever do a few , lol .

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I'm with HippyChick on this one.  :thumbup:
24/30 hour soak/rinse/drain/load & PC has never failed me :grin:

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Re: Wild Bird Seed Soak Question [Re: splifner180]
    #5706711 - 06/03/06 05:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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But the simmering method clearly requires more babysitting than a soak, and therefore more "wasted time." It also has a steeper learning curve since clearly people can (and do) get the moisture wrong using the simmer method.





As I've mentioned before, I'm not talking about simmering, but steeping. Did you even bother to read the link in my sig? No babysitting required- that's what's great about it! My reference to Doc34's tek was just to show that there is more than one opinion on how to achieve -perfect moisture content-, not that you should stand next to your stove monitoring your seeds while they simmer.

HC- I would agree that for 50-60lbs of WBS, then steeping/simmering is NOT the way to go! That's just not practical for most people though. I can do 30-40 quart jars easily with my method. I just use a large 22 qt pot, get the water to boiling, turn the heat off, dump the WBS in, put the lid on, wait 30min- 1 hour and I'm done. Rinse and load.

Tippinthru- Although I keep my grows at a much smaller scale then HC, I have gotten great results using my method also:





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