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Not requesting an ID but.......
    #5704278 - 06/02/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Don't ID this one, I am trying to figure it out.

But since the first way of IDing, by a pic, from the field books has failed. So now I must ID them by description. At first they look like a type of Amanita, Boletus  but they dont look anything like thees that popped up,


I think it's because there not, in season and I have been seeding an area under a large pine tree, that I have previously seen boletus growing. I have been watering the hell out of the area. And I think that has prematurely fruited them, and maybe that's way I am having difficulty.



So here is my take on there description,

Northern Cal, under a large pine tree, with a deep layer on pine needles, hummus.



Weather, well since I think it is the watering that has fruited them I dont think that the weather is playing a big part.

But if you can correct me on the observations.

Caps,
Covex to umbonate, scaly,



Volva present brown (absent is annulus, partial veil)



Gills,
Since I did not cut it, it looks like it's Adnexed




Stalk,
Looks like it is enlarged, and was very shallow,



Print, still waiting,



Well if you could comment on my observation, so I can ID this not by pics but by descriptions.


as always thanks, :mushroom2:


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Re: Not requesting an ID but....... [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5704284 - 06/02/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ohhhh I know I know I know!!!
I wont tell but here is a pic of one I found..LMAO!

I wont comment on the other mushroom... :wink:

OK I do have a Q: for you ..
On the white mushroom..
Was the base of the stem Bulbous?
Did it have any kind of casing or egg looking casing?
If so you should be able to ID it rather quickly as far as what Genius..
Great Pic's!
Good Luck with your ID..


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Re: Not requesting an ID but....... [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5704683 - 06/02/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Snaggletooth, are the photos of the specimens you're trying to ID (I'll assume they are)?

To check for gill attachment, try cutting one in half vertically. That'll give you the best view to decide. Note also that mushrooms described as having free gills also have easily detachable stems. If you look at the top of the stem in such mushrooms you'll find that there is a line that separates the tissue of the stem from the tissue of the cap. That line won't be there in mushrooms that don't have free gills.

When you cut the mushroom in half, that's also a good time to check for bruising. Scrape the inside of the mushroom (cap and stem) with your knife edge hard enough to bruise the tissue. Although most bruising is pretty quick there are a lot of mushrooms where the color changes can take up to an hour. Note that you're looking for an actual color change, not just a darkening of the existing color.

To decide if the structure on the stem is from a partial veil or a universal veil, the easiest way is to find a young specimen where the veil is still unbroken.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Not requesting an ID but....... [Re: YESSUP]
    #5704843 - 06/02/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

YESSUP said:

OK I do have a Q: for you ..
On the white mushroom..
Was the base of the stem Bulbous?

Kinda but not that extreme like the example in Demystified,

So I would call it,  'enlarged (club-shaped)


Did it have any kind of casing or egg looking casing?
If so you should be able to ID it rather quickly as far as what Genius..

No, not that I could tell, the pins, which there are a lot of look just like pins not like the egg.


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Re: Not requesting an ID but....... [Re: ToxicMan]
    #5704854 - 06/02/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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ToxicMan said:
Snaggletooth, are the photos of the specimens you're trying to ID (I'll assume they are)?

To check for gill attachment, try cutting one in half vertically. That'll give you the best view to decide. Note also that mushrooms described as having free gills also have easily detachable stems. If you look at the top of the stem in such mushrooms you'll find that there is a line that separates the tissue of the stem from the tissue of the cap. That line won't be there in mushrooms that don't have free gills.

When you cut the mushroom in half, that's also a good time to check for bruising. Scrape the inside of the mushroom (cap and stem) with your knife edge hard enough to bruise the tissue. Although most bruising is pretty quick there are a lot of mushrooms where the color changes can take up to an hour. Note that you're looking for an actual color change, not just a darkening of the existing color.

To decide if the structure on the stem is from a partial veil or a universal veil, the easiest way is to find a young specimen where the veil is still unbroken.

Happy mushrooming!





Ok, I understand that and I will get another specimen and check that out. Thanks for the info, I hit the upload limit, but I'll take more pics of the gills as you described.


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Re: Not requesting an ID but....... [Re: ToxicMan]
    #5704863 - 06/02/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Snaggle I think Toxic gave you some good bumps in the right direction for these......another thing Ive always learned to consider is when you have a group of shrooms growing together in a spot close.....doesnt mean neccessarily that they are all the same mushroom....maybe be several different in one location like that growing all together under one tree.....

What books are you using to help you......and remember you can sometimes check out a whole pile of expensive shroom books from the library for weeks


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Re: Not requesting an ID but....... [Re: shroominDole]
    #5704885 - 06/02/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok the gills are free not attached, (upload pics tomorrow)


I got the books Mushroom Demystified is the main one, I want to make sure that my observation are correct so I can ID them by description.


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Re: Not requesting an ID but....... [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5705023 - 06/02/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The things you probably want to try to determine first to get to the correct genus will be the spore print color, attachment of the gills, and what they are growing from (wood, the ground, dung, etc.). The presence or absence of a ring on the stem is another good general characteristic to decide early, keeping in mind that a ring can also be a ring zone of different tissue.

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Re: Not requesting an ID but....... [Re: ToxicMan]
    #5705084 - 06/02/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Cool thanks, I think I will have all the info, when it's get done printing. Thanks for the help, now its in my hands to lay it out and see what I come up with.



Then I will list the info and what I determine that it is and why I think that.


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Re: Not requesting an ID but....... [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5705172 - 06/02/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

trying to not give too much away but not ALL those mushrooms in those pics should have 'Free' gills as near as I can tell....


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