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MFKDGAF
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Is this correct?
#5704230 - 06/02/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok I'm about to attempt to do WBS for the fist time So after reading so many post I'm still a little confused so I'm asking for your help to make sure I do this the correct way. BTY I'm going to be using pint jars. 1.Fill jars about half way? (I've read 1/2 way and 2/3) 2.Transfer all WBS to 5 gallon bucket 3.Soak WBS overnight/24 hrs. 4.Get all the floaters out 5.Drain for a few hours until dry? or just so it isn't dripping water anymore. 6.Transfer to pint jars 7. Put lid, then tyvek paper, then ring lid on. 8.PC them 9. Inoculate them after they are cooled. 10. After full colonization mix with coco coir or hpoo. About 20% coco coir or hpoo to 80% WBS? Is this correct or if not what is the correct ratio to mix? 11. Put in foil pan with aluminum foil on top with air holes to breath. I'm assuming this step is the same as if I was doing BRF like I've done in the past. If not how should I go about doing this step? 12. Put back in to incubator/TIT until fully colonized around the coco coir or hpoo. 13.Put casing layer on top. 50 verm/50 peat. Also how thick of a layer would you advise to put on? 14. Put in to fruiting chamber. 15. Mist everyday or when casing layer is dry. 16. Watch them grow.
Also from your experiences/preferences would you use coco coir or hpoo to mix the WBS with. Also when I did casing with BRF I put a layer of wet verm on bottom would you advise to put a layer of wet verm on bottom with WBS? Also I've heard that when using hpoo it is very smelly and I've heard its not. What do you think?
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Re: Is this correct? [Re: MFKDGAF]
#5704373 - 06/02/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't use pint jars use quart jars.
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MFKDGAF
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Re: Is this correct? [Re: Atheist]
#5704402 - 06/02/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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why not pint? Whats the difference cuz all i have is pint.
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Re: Is this correct? [Re: Atheist]
#5704406 - 06/02/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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on #5, you drain it so when you shake the colander only like 1 drop is made.... mycelium/spores need water, if they are dry, then no water is there...on number 7, you should put polyfill in the top lid of your jar...on # 10, Hpoo pwns all, but you can do a 50 coir/ 50 seed mix and it will work...on #13 try to do the layer 1/4 the size of your substrate.... = if you have about 4 inches of Hpoo from the bottom, use 1 inch of peat/verm..
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Re: Is this correct? [Re: dudefromaz]
#5704407 - 06/02/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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quart = more bird seed, that is all... pints take alot if you want to do a decent size bag of bird seed...
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Re: Is this correct? [Re: dudefromaz]
#5704424 - 06/02/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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some people say to use ployfil some say not to. Whats the advantages & disadvantages of using polyfill. I'm just a little puzzled on what you said about the hpoo. If i use hpoo then i dont need a casing layer? the hpoo acts like a casing layer? cuz someone told me cuz this is my first time i should try and use coco coir and then step up to hpoo
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splifner180
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Re: Is this correct? [Re: MFKDGAF]
#5704625 - 06/02/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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MFKDGAF writes: "So after reading so many post I'm still a little confused so I'm asking for your help to make sure I do this the correct way."
Welcome aboard.
"1.Fill jars about half way? (I've read 1/2 way and 2/3)"
The goal here, in my mind, is to give enough room for (a) expansion of the WBS and (b) to leave room to shake the grains. If you don't, breaking up the clumps inside can be a real bitch.
I shoot for about 50% pre-soak, 75% when filling. Actually, that's kinda BS. I just dump in a 5lb bag of WBS and fill 9-12 jars. If there is some left over it gets dumped.
"3.Soak WBS overnight/24 hrs."
Keep the point of the soak in mind; to saturate the grains with liquid. A method I find helpful is to add water to the WBS but find a way of marking the waterline. So long as the waterline keeps dropping, the seeds are still taking in water. Don't stop soaking until the water stops dropping.
"4.Get all the floaters out"
I do this too though most people say it's a matter of personal pref. A VERY simple way to get rid of all the floaters is to simply pour them off. Why skim it like a pool when you can simply tip the container over and fwooosh!, all the floaters go buh bye.
"5.Drain for a few hours until dry? or just so it isn't dripping water anymore."
NYET! Drain them for a few minutes. Give the colander/whatever you're using to drain the WBS a few shakes. When shaking fails to yeild more than a drop, shake again until no water falls. And don't beat the crap out of it. Treat it precisely like you would treat pasta.
"7. Put lid, then tyvek paper, then ring lid on."
I use the same setup with 1/4" holes in the lids.
"8.PC them"
...at 15 PSI for 60 minutes (for pint jars) or 90 minutes (for quart jars).
Quart jars are preferred becaues they can hold more WBS, that's all. My PC is fairly small, I can fit four 1pt jars inside (albeit a bit tightly). I'm not sure I could even fit one quart jar. Too tall.
"some people say to use ployfil some say not to. Whats the advantages & disadvantages of using polyfill."
Polyfill is a material that will allow "gas exchange" in your jars, same as tyvek. Since it's synthetic it also doesn't harbor contaminants like, say, cotton would. Put another way, good gasses can get into the jar, bad gasses can get out of the jar but airborne contaminants cannot cross the barrier.
The only time I prefer polyfil to tyvek is when I'm using the RTV+tube+polyfill lids. They're a dream. Self-healing injection port, no vaccuum when sucking out the LC. A thing of beauty. I don't particularly care for those big puffballs stuffed into the WBS jars because I like to shake the piss out of my jars after PCing and I'd be worried the polyfill would pop out (if I didn't make it tight enough) or that there would be no gas exchange (if I stuffed it too tight).
I can't help you any further than that because I've never actually gotten further than that. =)
splif
PS: Properly aged hpoo smells like nothing at all. I have a 40lb bin of it in my room and you can't even tell it's here.
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