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soulmates?
#5704094 - 06/02/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have always held a deep seated belief in a soul mate.
I believe that everyone has a perfect match. another person that is literally beyond a shadow of a doubt PERFECT FOR YOU.
I thought that I had found mine, but the evidence continues to pile up against that conclusion, for that person has hurt me in ways that no true soulmate ever could. At least to my knowledge, anyway.
But still, I will continue my search for the perfect match.
because I know she's out there somewhere, probably just as lonely as I am. She's probably dejected and pissed off with the world, just like me, and we need eachother to be truly happy.
Anyway, my philosphy is: when you find your soulmate, you realize that you don't need anyone else but that other person.
because that person is everyone and everything to you. And you are everything and everyone to that person.
you realize that eachother is all you need, and you truly become one, a whole and complete person. The soulmate is the one who is that perfect person for you and only you.
I sincerely believe that everyone has a perfect match, and the goal of all sexual conquest should be to find that person. Once you have found your soulmate, STAY WITH THEM. At any cost. Don't let them go, for their fate and yours is truly connected.
When soulmates are apart, they yearn for eachother and pull on eachother's heart strings.
Its really hard when soulmates choose different paths, because they will always feel like they are missing something no mater who they are with in the meantime.
We do a lot of damage to ourselves in this life, but when you are with your true soulmate, NOTHING CAN HURT YOU. It is one path to immortality to find this person and stay with them. Only true soulmates can heal eachother with pure unadulterated love.
There were once two lovers, many thousands of years ago, that found themselves in eachother and ascended together via the force of sheer true love. this should be a template to all truly loving soul-matched relationships.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704209 - 06/02/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What if anyone can be your soulmate?
I know the pieces fit cause I watched them fall away mildewed and smouldering fundamental differing Pure intention juxtaposed would send two lovers souls in motion distengrating as it goes testing our communication.
To bring the pieces back together rediscover communication
So like for example "I'm a Christian" and "I'm a Muslim"
WHO CARES? No you aren't. You aren't a Christian and you aren't a Muslim, you're a human being.
Do you realize how absolutely nonexistant these most important differences between human beings are? The Christian and the Muslim are exactly the same, both very spiritual... or both very dogmatic and misled... or both very lazy... or a combination of the above....
but they clutch these labels atop their heads and shout LOOK AT ME I AM DIFFERENT, NOW I HAVE A STATUS WHICH MAKES ME BETTER THAN YOU!
You aren't different than anyone.
Someone who loves Bush will say "I believe in freedom" and someone who hates Bush will say "I believe in freedom"
it's all just variants and degrees of ignorance. True freedom cannot be found in this world, this Earth.......
I mean... it's just labeling.
The poetry that comes from the squaring off between and the circling is worth it finding beauty in the dissonance.
Don't we all fit? Aren't we ALL soulmates? The heart chakra just needs a connection....... it's called the unstruck note...... words are irrelevant. Do you merge souls by engaging in arguments, or by making love, or through meditative union?
I know the pieces fit.
One of the most influential and important Tool songs but most people don't like it because it was a radio single.
course you have to be willing to open up and expose your naked soul.... in order to soul mate.... and there are only a select few people willing to do it. I'm not sure if I am capable even.... it would be rather terrifying...... and all the labeling "I hate American Idol" "I love American Idol" "I don't think that's right for a man to marry a man" "Then I can't be with you if you think that"
it burns any bridges between us and the rest of the world. so stratified and opinionated and willing to defend them and vigilliantly guard against being challenged or proven wrong.... but just whose opinions are these?
So yes perhaps the soulmate is one elusive person. But in actuality we are all capable of being soulmates.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (06/02/06 01:47 PM)
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704228 - 06/02/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have to admit...I no longer believe in soul mates. I believe that in our lives, people enter and leave it on a continual basis. Some of these people operate on a similar or complimentary "vibration" as we do, and being with them is harmony. But even then, they are walking their own path, and will leave eventually.
I do think with people you find harmony with, it's best to walk with them as much as you can.
Now, I do believe that some souls have made "pacts" or deals with one another in the Beyond in order to help and guide one another in the material realm. I feel I have a "soul-pact" made with my best girlfriend, Kristi. We've both decided to come to this planet, and our pact brings our paths together. Same with my husband. I suspect we've come to the planet for different reasons, and yet the same reasons. We've made a soul-pact to protect, nurish and cherish one another through thick and thin.
If that makes us soul-mates...well, I suppose it's just how you look at it.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704247 - 06/02/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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anyone can be your soulmate?
bullshit. I can look in someone's eyes and tell if we were meant to be together or not.
some people get along, some people get along famously, some people don't get along at all.
but there is really only one person on this planet that you were truly MEANT for. Meant to be together. the PERFECT MATCH.
thats what I believe, anyways.
just because you kinda get along, doesn't mean you are a perfect match. A perfect match just clicks, I mean its just unquestionably RIGHT.
true love ain't a revolving door scene.
its a house with a solid foundation.
the true love between 2 soulmates is PERMANENT. not temporary.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704274 - 06/02/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm with EllemyShade - minus the "planetary destiny" junk food. There is nothing magical here. Perfection does not exist. When you realize conflict is good and that interference makes life interesting, you can begin to be ok with "imperfection" - which also is a vague term that defines an illusory concept.
As Veritas would say, we are all soul mates. We all have something to learn and teach each other. And really, everybody loves everyone else. We're all just mad.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: psyka]
#5704308 - 06/02/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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psyka said: I'm with EllemyShade - minus the "planetary destiny" junk food.
Thanks man. Though my caloric wonderings of destiny is healthy, not junk.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: psyka]
#5704320 - 06/02/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have touched with my soulmate many times over the ages. She moves through different bodies. I do not love women because of the type of music they like, or their ideas about this or that, or the way they look, all of that is illusionary dross. What I love is the Goddess aspect of womanhood, of which women are just the channel, the vehical, the container.
If it be that my woman lose her connection to channel the Goddess aspect of womanhood, then she is no longer my soul mate.
If you are looking at a girls personality, you aren't seeing her soul, you are seeing her mask.
I hope this makes sense to you. Sometimes people are more than one person. So you love some girl and believe she is your soulmate and she dumps you or hurts you. She is the one who has lost hold of the spirit, and that spirit has moved on into somebody else.
Often we enter into sacred marriage with more than one person, transcendentally.
The main lovers i've had in my life, they were women who looked different, they had different names, but inside they were the same being.
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though we are all the same spirit
we are also many souls
each soul has its own unique layers of expirience.
personally, I like the layers
I appreciate what makes a soul unique
when you find your perfect match,
its like finding the perfect combination
its like the keymaster and the gatekeeper
as a man, I have a unique key
and I must find the lock whose tumblers turn for that key
if its not a perfect match,
I can't open the doorway to true everlasting love
for true love between those who are truly meant for one another
is everlasting
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704630 - 06/02/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: anyone can be your soulmate?
maybe soulmate is used differently here. perhaps "very close friend" capable of loving deeply is a better word.
the thing is we have walls around us at all times, if we took them down we would fit with anyone. my reasoning is expounded as well as it can be in that post.
you said you stare into someone's eyes and know instantly.... but what if they were to stare back into yours, and you two were to keep staring until all obstacles dissolved and any sense of individuality dissipated?
who will do this with you? Hardly anyone will..... but the fact that I think we all CAN is what I'm saying.
We are different because we live in a world of bullshit. Back in the caveman days we were all the same, "You like eating and resting in caves? Me too..... we must be made for each other! " so they existed on a more sexual/survival level.
now we have this "You like DMB? Me too! Let's date!" and all these artificial stupidities which don't really help you connect very well....
but still you strip away all the social residue and you're just two people. and two people will fit together if they want to.
maybe "fate" or "karma" or "soulmate" is what keeps most of us from clicking I don't know.
I'm just saying our differences are almost nil in the big picture..... just how we stack our different distractions and delusions on top of our "soul" to make our "mask"
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704811 - 06/02/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: I have always held a deep seated belief in a soul mate.
I believe that everyone has a perfect match. another person that is literally beyond a shadow of a doubt PERFECT FOR YOU.
I thought that I had found mine, but the evidence continues to pile up against that conclusion, for that person has hurt me in ways that no true soulmate ever could. At least to my knowledge, anyway.
But still, I will continue my search for the perfect match.
because I know she's out there somewhere, probably just as lonely as I am. She's probably dejected and pissed off with the world, just like me, and we need eachother to be truly happy.
Anyway, my philosphy is: when you find your soulmate, you realize that you don't need anyone else but that other person.
because that person is everyone and everything to you. And you are everything and everyone to that person.
you realize that eachother is all you need, and you truly become one, a whole and complete person. The soulmate is the one who is that perfect person for you and only you.
I sincerely believe that everyone has a perfect match, and the goal of all sexual conquest should be to find that person. Once you have found your soulmate, STAY WITH THEM. At any cost. Don't let them go, for their fate and yours is truly connected.
When soulmates are apart, they yearn for eachother and pull on eachother's heart strings.
Its really hard when soulmates choose different paths, because they will always feel like they are missing something no mater who they are with in the meantime.
We do a lot of damage to ourselves in this life, but when you are with your true soulmate, NOTHING CAN HURT YOU. It is one path to immortality to find this person and stay with them. Only true soulmates can heal eachother with pure unadulterated love.
There were once two lovers, many thousands of years ago, that found themselves in eachother and ascended together via the force of sheer true love. this should be a template to all truly loving soul-matched relationships.
I believe many would reject your idea of soulmate here, some because they have been as most people have, dissapointed in love early in their lives and are cynical now, and other because they aren't able to feel such emotions, but instead enjoy sex on a more, how shall I put it, basic level..
But I hear ya. It's just that I don't think everyone has that soulmate, some people are born to be alone. And there is a blessing in that too
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who would want to be alone? that does not compute.
meh, call me crazy, but I think most people have a perfect partner.
another one of my naive crazy ideas
that people say doesn't pan out in reality
which is excatly why it doesn't pan out
because people don't believe
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Isn't beeing alone just a choice?
I agree with leery11 though that everyone can be your soul-mate. "who will do this with you? Hardly anyone will..... but the fact that I think we all CAN is what I'm saying." I'm pretty sure we all can, though it's hard - to strip down naked and "be themselves".
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5704851 - 06/02/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: who would want to be alone? that does not compute.
meh, call me crazy, but I think most people have a perfect partner.
another one of my naive crazy ideas
that people say doesn't pan out in reality
which is excatly why it doesn't pan out
because people don't believe
maybe, but then there are people compleatly sexually unacceptable to the oposite sex, which prevent anyone from becomming more than friends with them. I don't know, like retards, certain kinds of invalids etc. Their soulmates are more life friends, but they don't have these romantic soulmates
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(this reply is to J) I dunno dude do you think it's all about optimism?
I haven't been able to find anyone..... I was broken to where I couldn't even feel comptent enough to try. So when one came my way, she dealt with a broken person, and she was broken too.
So we about damn near killed each other.
Now I realize that all the stuff she was saying about the world and the mind is right and now that I'm more anti-materialism we might mesh together.... and I kind of want to talk to her.
We have a mind link, maybe from me stalking her dreams too much (bad stuff , bad habits) but like.... I prayed about guidance about an issue and whether she would be a good partner, went out driving and her car was behind mine.
But I heard from her roomate these synchs of reality freak her out....
I could forgive but it seems foolish to run back to my days as a 15 year old..... can I find no one better? I can see how she might be on the right spiritual prognosis for me sans the Christianity as I'm more unitarian and unviersalist in nature (and Buddhist).
but you know what.
So the other people I try with.
Nothing no thing not a thing nadathing nada.
Is it just because I have a vexation in my mind which makes me believe I cannot have a girlfriend? Or am I saving my "innocence" (what is left of it) for a SOULMATE so I'm just protecting myself by not getting involved with "normal" girls?
What is it? I know I could go out and in one day find a girl to date and "go out with" ..... I'm sure I could. But I am a romantic too and I do want a soulmate.....
but I'm not looking really. And I'm a bit skeptical as to whether I am allowed to have one given how my past got fucked up. But I know it would work if I found her.
Also I feel like I'm a woman more than a man ... but I desire women. So I'll just say that! My long hair is pretty and I'm very pacifistic and trying to get in tune with my emotions.... all very feminine traits.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (06/02/06 05:20 PM)
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they can still kiss, right?
I know retarded people who have relationships!
love is NOT just about sex, man.
far from it!
I have fallen in love with women
without having sex with them.
although I do see the point you're trying to make:
some people have a male and female inside, and don't need anything from anyone
they are whole and complete in themselves
but that doesn't mean that that kind of person
might not find another whole person!
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5707702 - 06/03/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have found a person who i love deeply, and whom i think is perfect for me, who meets perfectly all my needs and desires, who fufills me and energizes me, and that person feels the same way about me.
But ever in my mind i think "i will accept this for as long as it is given, and if it ends, i will move on"
i cant say yet if this person is my soul mate, or simply the first of many powerful loves that i have in store for me.
Time will tell, or at least, further complicate the matter.
For now, i am grateful.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5707846 - 06/03/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: they can still kiss, right?
I know retarded people who have relationships!
love is NOT just about sex, man.
far from it!
I have fallen in love with women
without having sex with them.
although I do see the point you're trying to make:
some people have a male and female inside, and don't need anything from anyone
they are whole and complete in themselves
but that doesn't mean that that kind of person
might not find another whole person!
Well, no I don't think it's all about sex, but sex is the ultimate act of intimacy, you don't get more open and connected than that
And no, I didn't mean that these people are selfsufficient. Of course, most people long to be loved by someone in that intimate sensual way (which includes sex), but some just don't get that, some are not ment to get it, so they find a way to compensate for the lack of that fullfilment.
Even though we are talking about pretty sophisticated stuff here, it really comes down to the most primitive things: if you are really good looking, and charming, and have social skills, you have a lot more choice, and more chance to find such intimacy. If you are an ugly retard that is afraid of folks, you have little chance.
And yes, some retards do have relationships, but with other retards often. What if you are just enough retard to be considered such, but still have the same criteria as other people, still be able to see beauty as others do, and still long for the same things others do? So you fall in love with a beautifull compassionate normal woman, and you have no chance with her because you are an ugly retard. Then you are fucked, and have to accept the reality.
That's what I'm saying, the good old Jehwah made us the way we are, some cups are small, some are large, some are green, some are blue, and we have to accept our shape and color, and our purpuse. If we want something that we are not ment to have, we can spend our short little lives in constant pain, and that really doesn't help us, nor are we of any good to the maker of the cup that way.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5708646 - 06/03/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I once had a vision of my soulmate. I already know her name and what she looks like(no, I'm not telling). All that's left now is to find her.
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Sounds like good ole fashion stalkin to me. You should ask Mr. Huehue for some advice.
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MushmanTheManic said: Sounds like good ole fashion stalkin to me. You should ask Mr. Huehue for some advice.
Was that reply to me? How can I stalk someone I haven't met yet?
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OldWoodSpecter said: we have to accept our shape and color, and our purpuse. If we want something that we are not ment to have, we can spend our short little lives in constant pain, and that really doesn't help us, nor are we of any good to the maker of the cup that way.
what purpose!?
Are you privy to information the rest of us aren't?
Anyway sometimes I run into very neat girls in my dreams but they have a tendency of disappearing.... I was talking to one and she turned into some guy who told me I should get the job I was thinking about.... I was thankful for the information (i think it was a real person that stepped into "her" as a dream character somehow) and didn't mind the intrusion.
Just today though I was talking to one and she walked off and was no longer present in the dream. Seems to happen a lot.
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Well, you know her name. That is a good place to start.
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MushmanTheManic said: Well, you know her name. That is a good place to start.
Like I said, it all came to me in a vision. I've never actually laid eyes on her in real life. I don't even have any physical evidence that she exists. But I will once I meet her.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: leery11]
#5708687 - 06/03/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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leery11 said: what purpose!?
that depends on what you believe
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5708728 - 06/03/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soulmate = codependancy. A healthy relationship is based on independance...not attachment.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5708952 - 06/03/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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who would want to be alone? that does not compute
Wow, such a narrow view of the world.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5709837 - 06/04/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You know for once i am forced to agree with you on allot of things you wrote... Though,you shouldn't ever have a total dependency on another person because you can be hurt if that person isn't what you believe they are.. Sometimes we create an image of another person because we deep down want them to be everything we ever wanted in another person.
But i do strongly agree with what you said about that we all have somebody out there who we are destined to be with, and we do sometimes hurt inside because we want so badly to be with them, and for everything to make sense. It is painful to be alone without them, and it's even worse when you let them go, and kept quiet as they walked out the door. Every bit of you wants to walk up behind them and hold them, telling them you know your making a mistake letting them leave.
Very good points..
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
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I don't really want to go all Swami on your ass J, and I know I am a little late for this party, but I think the whole idea of soulmates is problematic... and after plenty of consideration, and considerable heartbreak... I think the whole theory of soulmates... while romantic, is entirely bullshit.
Looking for a "Perfect" soulmate will only give you endless hours to imagine this person, while playing with yourself, with your dominant hand.
Actual companiomship will be severely lacking.
You'd do better by letting your parents arrange a marraige for you...
Far too many people, myself included, have met their "Soulmate" their "Perfect" companion... only to discover this special someone does not feel the same way in return.
Love is an emotion, nothing more. People react to this emotion in varying ways.
Keep your high standards J, do not settle for less of a partner than you deserve, but don't kid yourself into thinking you, and everyone else, has this perfect someone just waiting for them... and if you look hard enough and long enough... you will find them, and they will feel EXACTLY the same way about you, FOREVER. It would be nice... but (and I haven't heard you sing) I think you'd have a better chance of winning American Idol.
How 'bout nuns? Buddha? Larry King? Liz Taylor? Ted Bundy? Do they have soulmates too?
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Huehuecoyotl said: Soulmate = codependancy. A healthy relationship is based on independance...not attachment.
And who are you to say what is a healthy relationship?
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Re: soulmates? [Re: psyka]
#5710619 - 06/04/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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psyka said: I'm with EllemyShade - minus the "planetary destiny" junk food. There is nothing magical here. Perfection does not exist. When you realize conflict is good and that interference makes life interesting, you can begin to be ok with "imperfection" - which also is a vague term that defines an illusory concept.
What we need from our companions is often very different from what we want. The conflict and difficulty which we judge as indicative of imperfection could be the labor pains involved in giving birth to our truest, highest self.
The trick is discerning when the degree of conflict is dysfunctional, distancing, degrading. When you have ceased to relate as equal partners, the relationship becomes co-dependent (as opposed to interdependent.) This style of interaction is a handicap to both partners emotional and spiritual growth.
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As Veritas would say, we are all soul mates. We all have something to learn and teach each other. And really, everybody loves everyone else. We're all just mad.
Would I say that? I do think that we are all teachers for one another in our various bumper-car collisions. What marks out a "soul mate" from the crowd is the curious affinity experienced in their company--the sense that they "grok" you, and you them. But perhaps this is the dance of personalities, and not relation on the soul level. It is guesswork to claim that we are all soul mates on the deepest level, as so few are able to swim in those depths.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5710666 - 06/04/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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some turns of phrase, and some fairy tails wreak havock on people by imparting fake ambitions and unhealthy self images. the "soulmate" phenomenon is both a fairy tale and a turned phrase that has caused incredible unhappiness and wrong expectation worldwide.
each of us has to recreate the whole world from scratch for ourselves, discarding some terms as red herrings (this one for instance).
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the idea of mate can grow naturally to bear huge personal meaning.
separately from that the term soul can become relavent in a different personal way.
If the life of a person comes into ballance any words can be strung together and they will make wonderful sense, because one is rejoicing in harmony - from that point of view, all fairy tales are true, if only for the joy they are meant to give, and so we are all children again.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: Veritas]
#5710670 - 06/04/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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want a soul mate, get a dog or a cat or even a tree...
why does it have to be a person? Some people are prefectly at home in the forest.
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Huehuecoyotl said: Soulmate = codependancy. A healthy relationship is based on independance...not attachment.
I agree. Thats why I've treasured the time I've spent alone in many ways, for it has taught me to love myself, and be happy even with no one around.
But still, I search for the perfect relationship, the one that lasts forever and never gets unfulfilling. I know its possible, and I have committed myself to making that possibility a reality.
Luckily I made some headway in my search this weekend. Yes, I am officially seeing someone now, a person who I thought was way out of my league, but I found out this weekend she felt the same about me. So then we decided to join eachother's leagues 
so anyway, for the moment I'm happy to have finally found someone, and hoping to God it will last. I have a really good feeling about this girl, as she is unlike anyone I have ever been with Wish me luck!
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5719282 - 06/06/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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but she exists in this pesky third dimension!!!!
Good luck
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Re: soulmates? [Re: leery11]
#5719629 - 06/06/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the more time I spend with this girl, the more I think she is the product of one of my magick spells, that I have summoned her with my rituals.
When I look into her eyes, I keep getting the strange feeling that she is me from another time and place, and that we have somehow found eachother in this purgatory of a fractured space-time continuum. We are so alike in so many ways, its creepy. I wouldn't go so far as to call her my soulmate (too soon to say on that one), but she is definitely a good candidate! Even the lines on her hand look very similar to mine, and have a unique palm indeed! In fact, the lines on my palm were the inspiration for both a painting and a book, both created by friends of mine.
But I know better than to get my hopes up, because I've been in enough relationships to know that they don't always work out the way they should or the way that we want them to. I hope and pray that this one lasts for at least the summer, because I badly need some of that healing that only a loving relationship can provide. But at this point, even if this fledgling relationship ended tommorow, I would still feel enriched by it, simply because it has already healed many wounds in a very short time. The other day I actually got hungry and went out grocery shopping. I have a really shitty appetite and often find it hard to see food as appealing. But after being with her, I found that my energies had been re-aligned to the point where I actually want to eat and excercise and be a healthy human being, instead of sitting on the computer all day smoking and basically commiting slow suicide. This relationship has already renewed my lust for life, and I think that is what a good relationship does!
again, I ask for your prayers in making this one last as long as possible, so that I may be healed from the wounds that so many hateful souls have inflicted on my mind, body, and soul!
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5719844 - 06/06/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I get that quite frequently, seeing yourself as someone else by seeing someone else as yourself.
About 4 people so far. It can be a bit perplexing and humbling. Often times I adopt their voice and their ways of speaking, not the entire voice, it's still mine with my nuances, but it resembles theirs a lot.
Good luck with her indeed, confusing sir.
The last girl I noticed myself in had a boyfriend. And the last girl I noticed as having a great personality and being uplifting to be around, is engaged.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: leery11]
#5719848 - 06/06/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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leery11 said: The last girl I noticed myself in had a boyfriend. And the last girl I noticed as having a great personality and being uplifting to be around, is engaged.
Happens all the time.
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only to some people, i would wager.
the goal is to not be one of those, i suppose.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: leery11]
#5720116 - 06/06/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i don't think in terms of "soulmates". there are souls, and there are mates. why not just call them "lovers"?
like twinflames. there are no twinflames, there is only flame. love, and lovers, no reason to make it all complicated just to romanticize over it's spiritual aspects.
women bare children and men bare women
when you are ready to find your mate you can think up your perfect love inside your mind, in your heart and soul and she will be born out of your mind, and into your life if your love be honest and true and sometimes this takes a little practice too, because it is possible that you don't exactly know what you want in the form of a mate yet, doesn't change the fact that you bare your wife this way- if it be that you become married U/R One.
a womans pregnancy is nine months a man can dream up his wife and bare her in a much shorter time, usually
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interesting.
you don't mean that literally she is created from the mind do you? more like you find her in your mind and then your minds are on the same frequency, so your paths cross?
i should use all my lucid dreams to create an ideal woman instead of trying to have lots of promiscuous action.
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wow this is crazy-
Huehuecoyotl said: Soulmate = codependancy. A healthy relationship is based on independance...not attachment.
then Dr. J agreed with him.
Love is a codependant situation. Independance is seperatism, and suggests that you are whole outside of the family unit. which is true for some people like hermits and monks.
Love is attachment, by deinition of the word. And i think that thinking otherwise is unhealthy. sounds like setting up walls to hide behind, thinking you are individual or seperate when in fact, you're not.
Love is attachment to the spirit, which is detached from distractions of material things or circumstances.
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Re: soulmates? [Re: DoctorJ]
#5720202 - 06/06/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperatley try to fuse their insulated ecstacies into a single self-transcendence; in vain. By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy solitude. Sensations, feelings, insights, fancies - all these are private and, except through symbols are at second hand, incommunicable. We can pool information about experiences but never the experiences themselves. From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes."
- Aldous Huxley, Doors of Perception -
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Re: soulmates? [Re: Sinbad]
#5720233 - 06/06/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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it's true at the end there is only One. and you are allOne in your death. your death is between U and God, which may be the same person but we're not certain on that yet.
there is alot happening inbetween here & there though. in eternal heaven i am at one with my family, my ancestors, and my children. and because i know this fact, i love them the same here on earth. my wife and children are not seperate from me, we are one being, and that is the truth. the illusion is that we are seperate and individual. sure our personalities and fingerprints are unique and individual. but those are masks. those are the illusions.
on the earth, your thoughts are private. you are lead to believe that your thoughts are private. but your thoughts aren't private at all. not if you believe in God, or the akashic record. the idea that your thoughts and deeds are private, that is a fear game, and lying to yourself, in DENIAL-don't even know i am lying, lol
and sometimes incommunicable things are mysteriously communicated between minds. (although it might require some LSD inbetween, lol)
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is having sex to create a living child a co-dependent situation?
if you're doing it properly yes, lol
and it's not a simple dependency between man and wife either, it's a trinity if it be you understand the nature of time, then clearly the unborn child is an equal in the whole process.
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