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Anyone know how unions operate?
#5704010 - 06/02/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've been looking around for different work and always get some bulshite answer like 'the union would file a grievance against the city' or 'the union says you're too much of a reliability,' or 'maybe next year.' They're all either not being truthful, testing me, or just being dicks. How do I find out who to talk to about getting into their union?
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704014 - 06/02/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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To get into a union you can do two things:
1. Go through their apprenticeship program (usually 4-5 years). Once you are done with their training you are a Journeyman (a full member). 2. Join the union (you need to have lots of prior experience in your specific field and it helps to know a union member who can pull strings).
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704021 - 06/02/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the union operates much like the mafia
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5704025 - 06/02/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool, thanks. Man, its so discouraging when people with no experience get hired over someone else (like me).
Cool kid's clud :shakes fist.
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704030 - 06/02/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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what do you do?
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704035 - 06/02/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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namaste said: its so discouraging when people with no experience get hired over someone else (like me).
Anybody who is in a union has experience. They either completed the Journeyman training program or they have tons of prior experience.
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5704049 - 06/02/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anybody who is in a union has experience. They either completed the Journeyman training program or they have tons of prior experience.
Well from the people I've been talking, relatives get hired over people with education/experience. And, if one is in the union they can jump around to different depts. and positions they've never had training in.
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: Infrared]
#5704061 - 06/02/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the union operates much like the mafia
... Does the mafia tolerate rats?? ... BTW that's the rat they put on non-union jobs...Which unions you lookin' at, BTW ??
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704065 - 06/02/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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namaste said: Well from the people I've been talking, relatives get hired over people with education/experience. And, if one is in the union they can jump around to different depts. and positions they've never had training in.
What kind of union are you talking about? I was talking about the Trade Unions (Electrical Worker's, Pipe fitters, etc..). These trade unions operate in the way that I detailed. Smaller private union might not operate in the same way.
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: vinsue]
#5704067 - 06/02/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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man, unions are a pile of shit
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704069 - 06/02/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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each Union is different...
I have belonged to 4 different Unions over the years.
I was a Union Steward at my last job for over 10 years.
Some companies can hire you right off the street... and then you have to join the Union within a certain time frame.
Some companies hire dirrectly out of the Union hall. You are on a waiting list until a job opens up for you.
What kind of work are you looking for?
and I might have some tips for you.
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: Infrared]
#5704076 - 06/02/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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what do you do?
Well actually i just finished my BA, and have completed state-training-certificates. Its bogus, I feel protesting outside the Mayor's office.
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: Roadkill]
#5704099 - 06/02/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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*Edited*, any tips please fire away, send me a PM if its more appropriate.
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Edited by schmutzen (06/03/06 10:01 AM)
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704115 - 06/02/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm guessing Fiddler's Green isn't in USA...We have plumbers union, pipefitters union...
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704119 - 06/02/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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No idea on that one bro!~
sorry!~
I would find out more about the Union... and see if they have a Local near you. If they do have a Local near you... I'd go in person and find out all that you can about how they operate. If they don't have a Local near you... write to them and find out all that you can.
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: Roadkill]
#5704124 - 06/02/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks bud
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704142 - 06/02/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm a union member I belong to the I.B.E.W
Unions can be tough to get into because usually there are far more applicants than positions to fill. The best way to get in is to start as an apprentice. I was lucky and got in the first year i applied because my uncle had been in the union 40 years and knew the right people. When he got in he had to apply 3 years in a row. They keep track of stuff like that and it looks good because they want people who are going to be in it for the long hall.
All unions are different as far as how they run. My union is great I make excellent money with great benefits and our union is very well run so you don't have to worry about some scum bag stealing your pension like has happened before with some unions(and plenty of big businesses know a days).
If you have anything specific you would like to know feel free to PM me. Oh yeah just don't listen to people that say unions are bogus or crap like that. Unions are the reason there is a middle class in this country and why we have labor laws and safe working practices. If you are faithful to the union they will take care of you if you have problems like being injured or sick Big Businesses will just kick your ass to the curb.
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: lowdominion]
#5704147 - 06/02/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: lowdominion]
#5704148 - 06/02/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lowdominion said:
Oh yeah just don't listen to people that say unions are bogus or crap like that. Unions are the reason there is a middle class in this country and why we have labor laws and safe working practices. If you are faithful to the union they will take care of you if you have problems like being injured or sick Big Businesses will just kick your ass to the curb.
Amen brother!~

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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: lowdominion]
#5704157 - 06/02/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey that gives me some hope yet
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: schmutzen]
#5704173 - 06/02/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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good luck man if you keep at it your hard work will be rewarded
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: lowdominion]
#5704541 - 06/02/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lowdominion said: Unions are the reason there is a middle class in this country and why we have labor laws and safe working practices. If you are faithful to the union they will take care of you if you have problems like being injured or sick Big Businesses will just kick your ass to the curb.
depends on the union, the only union I was in sucked ass, the members voted to change to a new one because the one they originaly voted in was doing more for the company than they were the workers, problem is it would take a year to have another union brought in and in that year pay and benefits would be cut
lots of places down here aer union busters, start talking about unions and you'll find a new job really fast.
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Re: Anyone know how unions operate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5704577 - 06/02/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah I hear you I have heard some horror stories about some unions and union busting is becoming ever more popular. I have seen some of the anti-union videos law firms who specialize in union busting come out with. They are horrible filled with lies and half truths I don't know how anyone believes some of the crap they spew.
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