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OneMoreRobot3021


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Mental Therapy
#5703198 - 06/02/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seems like a lot of the people on this board (especially as a side-effect of what they feel is their psychedelic "enlightenment") think that therapists are bullshit.
I wish I could still afford my old therapist. He was fucking awesome. Seeing him once a week was a welcomed rhythm in my life. When you find someone you can really connect with in that office, you really break through shit. I'm not talking about one of those doctors who listens to you talk and take notes. If that's your perception of therapy, well yeah, that fucking sucks.
But my guy, we had a DIALOGUE going, a constant open one, and I could talk about anything, and he always had tons to say.
Yay therapy.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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Dfekt
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This place is my therapy
-------------------- "Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit." ~Oscar Wilde
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goobler
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I'm sure Toadie will fit you in
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Yoschie99
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i had to go to group drug and alcohol meetings when i was in CO.. through those i met the only 'therapist' i've ever had the desire to actually talk to.. i went to see him once, then his office shut down and i couldn't find him.
generally, though, i'm off the 'therapy is bullshit' variety.. everything i've ever heard come out of a therapist's mouth is something i already knew, i see no need to pay an exorbitant amount of money for common sense and knowledge.
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CaRnAgECaNdY
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I went through quite a few therapists when I was younger. Hated all of them, until I found the right one. That was when I was 15. I had issues back then. I have issues now that I wish I could talk to him about.
Therapy can be good for the soul.
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Penguarky Tunguin
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I'm not convinced of its theraputic potential. I think you can have your friends and family be your therapists. And if you can't do that, you need to find some better friends.
There's a reason that before psychedelics were made illegal, there was a excellent success rate when used in a theraputic setting, for therputic purposes. I beleive you can achieve the same effects with tripping on a medium dose with close friends or close family members, especially a sibling.
-------------------- Every mistake, intentional or otherwise, in the above post, is the fault of the reader.
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loopin20
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I have a therapist and psychiatrist. I go to group therapy for 3 hours a session 3 times a week, have a 1 and 1/2 hour individual session per week with my therapist, and see the psychiatrist for my meds every 2-3 months.
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koppie
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There is a theory that states that therapy works not because of the virtues of psychological training, which are poor at best, but because of the innate talents of the therapist.
From this point of view you can both embrace the virtues of therapy and be extremely critical of psychiatry and psychology in general.
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theorganicdomino
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Re: Mental Therapy [Re: koppie]
#5703375 - 06/02/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wish I'd had therapy when I was 16 and on incredibly strong anti-depressants. I spent two years walking around in a daze and when I came off them I had another breakdown. Still I'm glad to have worked through my problems the hard way - even though it took another 14 years to finally feel comfortable in my own skin.
There's no chemical solution for a spiritual problem...
...except, in my case, for mushrooms.
-------------------- "You've got to get hold of the thread of marching time, pull the fuck thing down, get on the end of it and pang yourself to the infinitude of absolute mind" Ken Campbell - Furtive Nudist "The mystery of life is not a problem to be solved but a reality to be experienced" - Aart van der Leeuw
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Rhysaboveit
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Re: Mental Therapy [Re: loopin20]
#5703386 - 06/02/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my life, ive gone through therapist like a whore goes through sexual partners. I have yet to find one who satisfies my needs and gives me the help i require. Ive been prescribed a multitude of meds, on and off . Right now , my view is that a good trip and a buddy are all the therapy i need. But then again, i havent relapsed in my depression, and my mood swings are controlled by the flow of drugs in my blood stream. Maybe therapy works, but it hasnt for me.
-------------------- No point in mentioning these bats, I thought. Poor bastard will see them soon enough "There's a uh, big machine in the sky, some kind of, I dunno, electric snake, coming straight at us." "Shoot it." "Not yet, I want to study its habits. "
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OneMoreRobot3021


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I only ever saw a psychotherapist. Not a psychiatrist. No meds for me.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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loopin20
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"Depression" is an overused term. I believe most people are just angry and it comes out like depression. Angry people get treated for depression all the time. People don't like to admit their anger. Depression is acceptable. Besides, if we are depressed it's because of some chemical imbalance or because people have done something to us that makes us victims. Angry people are viewed differently and usually negatively. Most of the time the denial is so great that the angriest people don't even know they are angry and neither does anyone else until they explode. Just a thought.
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Re: Mental Therapy [Re: loopin20]
#5703412 - 06/02/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pretty profound for 'just a thought'...
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Cowgold
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I went to therapy once and it helped me tremendously with my attitude. I was having trouble venting because I'd lost all privacy minus the bathroom. The therapist was just an uninvolved/unbiased perspective to bounce off of that helped me identify exactly what was pissing me off. Just talking about things in a no pressure environment was very therapuetic and liberating. I fealt motivated to confront any situation with ease and comfort. When/If you try to talk to someone you know they tend to agree with whatever you say or try to relate something that happened to them in lieu of actually providing some constructive input. By the time the conversation ends you're not even on-topic anymore and you're left with few if any answers.
But to stay on topic, It is pretty suspicious that lots of these so called 'enlightened' people are suffering from depression or social dificulties. I wanted to be enlightened and still do but it's become a kind of striving for a relaxed stat rather than wanting to have a blissful existence. I like being challenge and I am everyday... I consider enlightenment to only be resilience to daily challenges. Sometimes... I need to have failures and overblown challenges. I'm cool with that.
I don't seek enlightenment anymore and I think that's why I retain my sanity.
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OneMoreRobot3021


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Re: Mental Therapy [Re: Cowgold]
#5703441 - 06/02/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who has time for enlightenment? I just need to deal.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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In(di)go
People of the sun.


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therapy rocks... my therapist helped me through a lot of issues... i went to see her once every 2 weeks for 2 hours through the course of almost 3 years... and it's unbelievable how far i have progressed because of therapy... i still go to see her once every 2 months or so... or whenever i feel there's an issue i need resolved and can't do it on my own...
but yeah... i agree with you completely, OMR... if you find the right therapist, it is really good for the mind...
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evolprim
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therapy or dealing with one's emotional and mental issues is not only helpful its necessary. open communication with other people is KEY.
however the method you use is completely up to you, some see a therapist in a professional setting, some lay their feelings on their close friends who they can trust, and some do self therapy with and wtihout the aid of psychedelics
whatever your method, it is definetly unhealthy to keep in emotions or feelings that are bothering as they can eventually snowball into a serious psychological problem.
if your problem is very serious or its just something you cant/ dont want to tell friends about then it is certainly best to see a therapist
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Noetical
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Quote:
OneMoreRobot3021 said: Who has time for enlightenment? I just need to deal.
So perfectly true
Therapy saved my life, I shudder at where I would have been without it.
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MOTH
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I am much more stable when I am regularly seeing a therapist. I need someone to bounce my thoughts off of, otherwise they just swamp me and I get all turned around. Therapy has been SO beneficial. You don't feel as "isolated in your brain" when you have someone to talk to each week. I wish everyone could see a therapist who needed to.
I'm about to start looking for a private practice therapist since my therapy company is dropping me. My three months with them is up. I suppose I could regress and sink low enough to where they could consider me a "crises case" again (it would be too easy) but I can only look up now. I just have this feeling I am running out of time.
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