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Double tub spawn stall
    #5702049 - 06/01/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A small touble tub has stalled colonizingat ~ 70%. It is a brf cake spawned to coir, and has shown very slow growth over the last 7 days. It is now at 13 days.
Should Water be added?
Should light/FEA be provided to start fruiting?
Dunk?


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: shroomballa]
    #5702292 - 06/02/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

is the surface dry? I generaly dont recomend dunking or wetting when theres a casing layer

to start fruiting ou need FAE and light, it may be a good time to start that


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: shroomballa]
    #5702957 - 06/02/06 05:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

IMO, the best thing to do with a double tub after spawning is to LEAVE IT ALONE! People that are new to the tek or growing in general tend to keep opening it up to check it's progress- you lose humidity like that! Spawn, wait a week to check on it. If it's ready, case it, wait a few days, then get it in "fruit mode"- lights and lower temps. You can also skip casing and go straight to fruiting.

Either way, once the spawning and/or casing is done- LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE! Wait until you see that fucker full of mushrooms before you open it. If you are doing a correctly constructed double or mono tub with polyfil stuffed holes, you should have ZERO problems assuming:

1- Temps are low enough
2- You provide some light (indirect sunlight 12/12 works best IME)
3- There is some air circulation in the grow room.

As far as air circulation, I leave my tubs on a shelf in a bedroom that has central AC. If you have to grow in a closet, I'd recommend putting a little fan in there. Remember, you only need some air circulation, so don't point the fan directly at the tub(s), as this may dry out the substrate.

Every tek here comes down to temps, light, humidity and FAE. If you are doing this tek properly, your only concern should be light and temps. :mushroom2:


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5702972 - 06/02/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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is the surface dry? I generaly dont recomend dunking or wetting when theres a casing layer

to start fruiting ou need FAE and light, it may be a good time to start that




I agree, if you can put it into your TiT that will help growth alot from past experience.

How it it covered? I use tin foil with holes poked with a fork as not to have a CO2 back up.

One last thing. How did you sterlise your coir? I always had great success with just a hot water bath with sink water as hot as it can be. Maybe it was burned if you sterlised or pasturised?


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: FooMan]
    #5702996 - 06/02/06 06:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

u are absolutely correct...not only are u losing humidity but your exposing the tub to contams...your essentially killing the dt's greatest feature imo


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: Babo911]
    #5703263 - 06/02/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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is the surface dry? I generaly dont recomend dunking or wetting when theres a casing layer

to start fruiting ou need FAE and light, it may be a good time to start that




I agree, if you can put it into your TiT that will help growth alot from past experience.

How it it covered? I use tin foil with holes poked with a fork as not to have a CO2 back up.

One last thing. How did you sterlise your coir? I always had great success with just a hot water bath with sink water as hot as it can be. Maybe it was burned if you sterlised or pasturised?




He's talking about a double tub here, so no tin foil or TiT is needed. Also, the only way I can see someone burning the coir is if they microwaved it dry, not by sterilizing in a PC or pasteurizing.


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: FooMan]
    #5703537 - 06/02/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The tub has never been opened up and wont be until the first flush is done
The coir was microwaved for two 3 minute sessions.
It's been 2 weeks now and still not full colonization. What can be done?


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: shroomballa]
    #5703597 - 06/02/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That sounds strange to me. Was the coir too wet or dry? If it's too wet, I'd maybe remove the polyfil from the holes to let it air out a little. If it's too dry, maybe mist it with an H2O/peroxide mix. You want it at field capacity when you spawn your grain to it.

Of course, if your temps are too hot/cold, that could be the problem too. I keep my thermostat set at about 77F and that works fine for me from incubation on through fruiting.


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: FooMan]
    #5705649 - 06/02/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I thought the coir was the correct moisture, but I guess maybe not. it's going to be opened up tomorrow and felt to see. How wet should a 75% colonized substrate feel?


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: shroomballa]
    #5705766 - 06/02/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Correct moisture with coir should be no drips when you pick it up, but when given a gental squest some water should come out.

Last time I did a DT I took the bottom tub and made sure it fit in my TiT and added tin foil till it was 100% to try to speed up the colinisatiuon proccess to prevent contaming.

That is why I was asking before how you set it up. My last DT is in my sig if you want to check it out. I used Coir and critter country, both unsterlised


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: Babo911]
    #5706139 - 06/03/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I had the correct coir moisture, as you described. I'll see how things feel when I open it up tomorrow. I dont see that big of an issue of contams, as coir is hard to contam. We'll see


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: shroomballa]
    #5706179 - 06/03/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I would disagree with the notion that coir is hard to contam.


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: TheFish]
    #5706211 - 06/03/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

would you care to tell more?


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Re: Double tub spawn stall [Re: shroomballa]
    #5707819 - 06/03/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well, after 16 days, and after not looking at it for two, I came back to find pins from 1/4" up to 1 3/4"!!!!!  No light, no FEA, just crazy, and still with an only 75-80% colonized substrate.  So I put it in the FC, fans, lights, etc.  hope things pan out well for it.  Will post in the next couple days with results. 
I'm glad I didnt have to open it up before flushing! :stoned:


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