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5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) * 1
    #5701726 - 06/01/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Don't know if this has been posted before, but if so, it's awesome enough to post again.

"Recently El-Seedi et al. subjected samples from two archaeological specimens of peyote buttons to radiocarbon dating and alkaloid analysis. The specimens were discovered in Shumla Cave No. 5 on the Rio Grande, Texas and now reside in the collection of the Witte Museum in San Antonio, Texas – see photo above.

The peyote samples were dated to be in the time interval 3780–3660 BC, and the alkaloid yield was approximately 2% in both samples. The only peyote alkaloid that could be identified was mescaline, i.e. no traces of the other major peyote tetrahydroisoquinoline alkaloids like lophophorine, anhalonine, pellotine, and anhalonidine could be found. "

Oldest drugs ever found, and still active!

San pedro potency can vary from .3% alkaloids of dry material, all the way up to 1.5%. I'm sure there are cases where it is higher. But this is 2% alkaloids from 3700 B.C.!!!!



Ahh... how wonderful.

http://lophophora.blogspot.com/2006/03/prehistoric-peyote-use.html


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5701764 - 06/01/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That is so cool.  :thumbup:


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: mycogirl]
    #5701788 - 06/01/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hehe, looks more like very old mushie caps than buttons. :smile:


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5701892 - 06/01/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Do ya think if I hide some e's in a cave if somebody will put them in a museum in a few thousands years? :peyotespectrum: :chaingang:


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Mezcal]
    #5701916 - 06/01/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ecstacy is an amphetamine, not a phenethylamine... so the survival of mescaline has little or no bearing on the lifespan of MDMA


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Konnrade]
    #5701940 - 06/01/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Konnrade said:
ecstacy is an amphetamine, not a phenethylamine... so the survival of mescaline has little or no bearing on the lifespan of MDMA




oh, sure it does... amphetamine is just a contraction of alpha-methylated phenethylamine aka AlphaMethylPHenEThylAMINE.

the substituted methoxy groups on the ring definitely provide stability to the mescaline, though. the dimethoxy loop on MDMA couldn't possibly be as resiliant as in mesc... not sure about the amino terminal's relative strength. presumably putting the last carbon into tertiary form would strengthen the end though, making the amphetamine even stronger than the straight up PEA counterpart.


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Konnrade]
    #5701958 - 06/01/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Konnrade said:
ecstacy is an amphetamine, not a phenethylamine... so the survival of mescaline has little or no bearing on the lifespan of MDMA




Ouch! I expected better from a chem guy! Amphetamines are indeed phenethylamines.


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5702237 - 06/02/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ack!

Well, that's a reminder that I'm only a first-year. :blush:

Advanced chem I only know bits and peices of from the intarweb, I haven't covered any of it in actual classes yet.


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5702464 - 06/02/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That is very amazing! I haven't seen anything about this. Thanks for sharing.

:cool:


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #5702880 - 06/02/06 03:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

.


Edited by pac_man (06/17/06 09:25 AM)


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Konnrade]
    #5703413 - 06/02/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ecstacy is a phenyethylamine.

MDA and MMDA were first syntheaized from Amphetamine nthe erarly 1900s by Georges Alles.

MDMA was synthesized by Shulgin from essential oils of spices (such as from sassafrass, safrole, apiole and dill apiole, fenyl seed, etc.), all which Shulgin found to be chemically phenylethylamines.

Even 3,4, dimethoxybensaldhyde

(Piperonol CAS 495-76-1 Synonyms Piperonyl alcohol1,3-Benzodioxole ...
Piperonol. Piperonyl alcohol; 1,3-Benzodioxole-5-methanol; Benzo[1,3]dioxol-5-ylmethanol; 3,4-Methylenedioxyphenylmethanol; 5-Hydroxymethyl-1,3-benzodioxole ...)

can be used to make MDA or X through the Claissen rearrangement.

And that is three steps from MDA chemically or close to three steps.


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5703415 - 06/02/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

And while mescaline is chemically an phenylethylamine, it is also an indol.

FIgure that one out.

mj


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #5714112 - 06/05/06 07:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MrMaddHatter said:
That is very amazing! I haven't seen anything about this. Thanks for sharing.

:cool:



..and in other news Susan, specimens of peyote dating back to the stone age....
Somehow I'm not supprised. (not that I had heard shit either)


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5764107 - 06/18/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mjshroomer said:
And while mescaline is chemically an phenylethylamine, it is also an indol.

FIgure that one out.

mj



References for this?

I was under the impression that for a molecule to be classified as an indole it should have that characteristic indole ring. Of which mescaline surely does not. Does the term 'indole' refer to the structure of the indole molecule in addition to something else, perhaps related to receptor binding? Granted when that ethylamino tail wraps around it superficially resembles the 5 membered nitrogenous ring attached to the benzene ring, but that's a far stretch...


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: wietstocker]
    #5764140 - 06/18/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

that was in last issue of erowid extracts.
this issue they have a vial of Szandos LSD-25 from 1951,
and apparently its still good :laugh:


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Koala Koolio] * 1
    #6327691 - 12/02/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

whos with me on breaking into this place? i want some 5700 year old drugs. :P


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #6330897 - 12/03/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

nice one!!! yay for peyote :~)


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: Merkin]
    #21163561 - 01/22/15 03:30 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

I know it's old (ba dum tish!) but I felt this deserved to be dug up again and enjoyed.  I guess this answers the question of how long you can store your cacti for :sanpedro:


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: BigHeart]
    #21163595 - 01/22/15 03:40 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

5700 years :cool:


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Re: 5700 year old Peyote *still* stronger than your San Pedro :) [Re: sniffy]
    #21163756 - 01/22/15 04:26 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

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5700 years :cool:




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