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ALHOFF177A17
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Out of Body?
#5701222 - 06/01/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Recently I have been becoming more interested in spiritual theology. I have read a few books: Travels (michael crighton), Dancing naked in a mind field (Kary Mullis) that have mentioned instances of some really bizzar shit. These books are not completly on the subject of the super natural, but they speak of events that cannot have occurred without this stuff really being possible. Kary Mullis is a nobel prize winner in bio-chem, responsable for the PCR DNA replication method. This makes me think there must be somthing to it. He talkes of how he sat down to suck down some NOS, and accidently passed out with the nozzle still crankin in the juice. He awoke later with the bottle laying like 5 feet away and his lips frozen and bleeding. Then like 5 years later or somthing he meets this chick who says she happend to be astro-traveling by and knocked the bottle out of his mouth, without him disclosing information of the sort.
I was raised in the Catholic church and never much cared for the ritualistic aspect, although the morals and themes of the stories of course have their value. I recently have been feeling that a more hands on approach to faith is neccessary in order for me to become a wiser more complete person.
I was in my humanities class today and was learning about Socrates. This guy had a logical argument that had a familiar ring to it. This is from my notes so it may be biased by my own personal interpretation: Socrates-"Theory of ideas" 1.the human soul lives forever. 2.We all have decended from the 3rd realm(a dimensionless or infinate place beyond the phisical universe) 3.Ideas/forms (basicly saying since we have an understanding of perfect/imperfect therfore we must have experienced perfection at one point.) 4.Upon birth we forget this perfection and must remember the virtues through our life experiences in order to become wise enough to return to the third realm. The reason we leave (3rd realm) in the first place is because too much perfection can become boring. The souls who remain/become wise can return to the 3rd realm because they know how to get back. The souls who are ignorant to the perfection within them will remain in limbo for 1000 yrs. then to be reborn again. The wicked souls will remain in limbo forever. Socrates had a pretty sound argument for something so non-empirical.
Anyway I was wondering if anyone here has enlightened themselves on the subject, and can perhaps offer some books or ideas to help me teach myself how to leave my body, visualize my spirit, and other spirtual exersizes. I know eating a bunch of shrooms would be an easy way to acheive this but I do not want to frighten myself into being too scared to try to attempt it again. I was talking with my mother on the subject and she said a freind of hers had like a demon or somthing try to get in her body while she was away. This type of thing really concerns me as I want to acheive a experience, but I do not want to be hijacked in the process.
Thanks for reading, and please respond with comments constuctive or not.
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have you tried mushrooms they can facilitate OBE experience is the best way
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Telepylus
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Re: Out of Body? [Re: sleepy]
#5701756 - 06/01/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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y'know what else is killer for OBE? nitros oxide.
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leery11
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Re: Out of Body? [Re: Telepylus]
#5701922 - 06/01/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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he already mentioned nitrous and shrooms and that he wasn't wanting to trip because of the intensity of the unknown.
look into lucid dreaming.
I will tell you a simple method. But lucid dreams do not seem at all real or out of body unless something else happens to trigger a profound "dream" ....
but what you do is set your alarm to get you up 3 hours before your normal get up time.
You stay awake for a period of time between 10-60 minutes .... doesn't matter how long. You just want to be alert but still relaxed enough to slip right back into sleep. You do not want to be GROGGY or UNFOCUSED and so you stay up only to eliminate those conditions.
While you are up say aloud to yourself "I will go back and leave my body. I will go back and dream" or something like that. aloud will have best results so you believe what you are saying...
or even just think really long and hard about what you want to do when you start dreaming during the hour or so that you stay awake.
Then lie back down in bed, count to yourself "1 am dreaming.... 2 i am dreaming" and don't give up no matter what... keep the counting going.
It helps throw you into REM without losing much or any consciousness, and is called "Wake back to bed" via the lucid dreamers....
But REM does not seem to be responsible for mystical experiences necessarily, from my experience. Deep sleep seems more characteristic of when you would have them.
do not worry about demons. demons are fear. if you fear them they show up because you expect them to. if you don't they don't. if you do see one do not be afraid. do something spiritual, call upon the highest power you have faith in, or send unconditional love to the demon and banish it away... or pacify it and ask it what part of your psyche it represents.
most of them are internal. maybe all of them. in your own head. but if you sever connection to the body and really truely travel to "beyond" then i have no clue what to say..... go into high vibrations of love.
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Edited by leery11 (06/01/06 10:57 PM)
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Re: Out of Body? [Re: leery11]
#5702081 - 06/01/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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First OBE I had, I was on acid and did a hit of nitrous. IT WAS INSANE. Now I can do it without drugs.
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i think impossible stuff happens. not because you seek it but because you care. don't count on it. take care.
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wow, i never knew michael chrichton wrote a book like that.
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Ok heres wht my uncle told me, hes a good guy but I cannot vouch for the validity of the story other than that.
One day he got out of bed to goto the toilet. He met his father walking through a corridor in his house. It appeared his father hadn't noticed him and he then walked straight through him. At which point, my uncle realised he was having an OBE. He returned to his room and climbed back into bed and fell asleep.
Interested by the experience, he started to meditate on Mantra's which he said where used to experience on OBE but this didn't work. One day he was meditating on a Mantra which was supposed to facilitate floating of the physical body. But instead, he had an OBE experience.
Basically he explained to me that he started to fall through dimensions or plains of existance. He would snap into somebody elses body for a few seconds and could see as they were seeing. He experienced many different entities as well. He said they seemed to prey on fear. If he became afraid they would play more tricks on him and make him see spirits of some form.
He said he actually found it hard to return. He said he was trying/fiighting for ages to actually return to his body, but eventually he did.
OBE's are something I'd love to have the balls to play around with - but I don't. Its like an explorer going into an unknown realm - who knows what possibly awaits them. But I respect your fearlessness should you try and explore those worlds.
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Re: Out of Body? [Re: sleepy]
#5704323 - 06/02/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am going to answer this in oreder of posts. 1.Yes I've tried mushies. Just the problem with that is I fear not being able to controll the distance if you will I want to go. 2.Nitrous is pretty bad ass. As long as your sitting down. It's like a slingshot to T+30 seconds. I've never experienced OBE however. 3.It's kind of a scary thing when you must see a manifestation of a part/s your own self in the form of a spirit. I have had a dream where I thought I met a FOF who was dead and whom I have never known. When I told the freind about it she said thats exactly like him. (He stole my shirt and wouldn't give it back LOL)I was talking with my mother about this dream and she flawlessly converted it to symbolism, which astonished me because it made so much sense. It was the feeling however that made me feel as if I was in the presence of this someone else, not like other characters in my dreams. 4.How have you learned to do it w/o drugs? I have been all my life able to space out to the point where I dont register what people have been saying to me, or see whatever is in front of me. Just see what I am thinking about. I dont really think much about this however, becaused it is a concious imaginative state. 5.I am not totaly sure what you mean. I think you mean there is no way to ever prove this stuff, but you can believe in it or not. I think if you feel something profound it is probably real unless youre like mentally screwed somehow. 6.The book is auto biographal accounts of his travels and life experiences. It kept me interested even though I dont care much for his personality I gathered from it. 7.No kidding, it freaks me out sometimes just thinking about it. I really want to get my fear to turn to understanding. I have thought of having someone sit in but the fact is I know no one who even is interested in this stuff. Guess its the lone ranger. Thanks all for posting I appreciate the feedback.
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actually i can recount one intense experience.
i was drunk, woke up and new i was about to have a REM rebound, so i breathed into my solar plexus. i found myself floating into a dream then a war was about to start so I retreated into my heart....
i then THUNKED to the floor of my apartment, but in the other room.... not really having a body but being lodged to something... it was immensely dark, empty, lonely, dead, and scary...... I could also feel the location of my body in the other room.
I could not get up to explore and had to force myself awake, which is a shame because I've always wanted to explore physical reality from out of body, many people say you can, but I never really ever had any "real" experience it all seemed genuinely fake.
but this one felt very real.
try the solar plexus?
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"..to leave the body, 'you' must realize that 'you' have left it!" -Unknown :p
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Re: Out of Body? [Re: sleepy]
#5707527 - 06/03/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well so I went ahead and gave it a run yesterday with ~1.5 gram of dried mushies(MAZ). Prcessed into small chunks/powder, steeped in lemon coolaid for 15 min with RT water no sugar. It was one of the best trips I have had by myself. I did not concern myself with anything except relaxing in my bed. It took 20 min to hit me and lasted for approx. 3 hrs before ending abruptly. I just stared into the acoustic ceiling-ograph watching it do its normal tricks. I must say that I was trying to see/experience somthing profound. Eventually I visualized these demons I have been concerned about, no fear whatsoever. They were just moving across the cieling, kinda interacting with eachother. Then two of them left and the one in the middle abruptly focused on me. This caught me off gaurd and kinda freaked me out, but I just stared trying to examine what it wanted, or what I could do about its attention to me. I feel as if this was just an expression of my subconcious. Nothing happened and I could not gather any information, but it is wierd that I would want it to focus on me like that. After this experience I do not have fear of these things, so long as accept them as real. Before I said I was fearful of these things because they were unknown to me, but now they seem so familiar to me that they should be of my own creation. This experience really made me feel impowered to hold my own against my fears, whether they be only mine or infact things that should be feared because they are real.  Many people say you just need to let go, or realize that you are in fact traveling and not dreaming. This kind of thing does not come easy because I have no reference as to what they mean. Sometimes while relaxing I feel somthing that I can move around me, without muscle contraction. Something that I can displace, but will always bounce back into position. Something that has mass/energy but is not made of matter. Well I dont know...I am going to keep trying, and take it with a grain of salt.
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