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Confused About Psychedelic Users.
    #5699603 - 06/01/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

(This post in no way, is attempting to make people mad.)

I am really confused about why, exactly people use psychedelics. I was grown up taught that people just took the drugs, like most commonly, when I was little I heard the word LSD. They took them to hallucinate, and see god, and to be invincible, so they could jump off roofs like superman, and splatter on the streets of New York. Now, this can not be true, otherwise they would not be so commonly used.

Is it for seeing things inanimate come to life, seeing things (hallucinations), or to be able to connect with the world.

See, when I was growing up little, I was told all these drugs made you do waas see things, I've long since known different, but still am trying to clarify this. How can a drug that makes you see god, and inanimate things come to life, make you get into complex thought about life, and society, and consequentlly, change who you are..or give you a new outlook. Is that the reason people do them? It doesn't sound fun to get a new personality every trip.

(I have never tripped).

When I say psychedelcs, I am generally reffering to common ones like, Mescaline, Ketamine, MDMA, LSD, Shrooms and DMT.


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Zimed]
    #5699658 - 06/01/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The answer to your question is hard to put into words.  Especially for someone who has not had a psychedelic experience.

I believe most people start to use psychedelics for the enormous amount of fun and pleasure they have to offer.  As time progresses and you get more trips under your belt, the purpose of the trip changes for many.  It becomes more of a spiritual journey, a path a self discovery that many people can not experience without the use of these drugs.  I, as well as many others believe that all knowledge and enlightenment lies with our own mind.  We already possess all the answers to any questions we may have...it is just a matter lifting the details of our ego and this materialistic world in which we live.  Psychedelics allow many people to tap into the billion year old life force that is all of us. Psychedelics open a door in our minds that, for many, have been sealed shut.  When used responsibly they can help individuals sort out personal issues, find a purpose in life, and just make them more appreciative that life is actually happening!

This is really hard to explain, I hope that helped at least a little.      :mushroom2:


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Zimed]
    #5699660 - 06/01/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

First of all, you cannot group together all of those drugs together, as they have very different properties. Ive only done shrooms, mdma and K myself but from what I gather, no 2 are that similar.

Second, what you were told about people taking these substances and thinking they were invincible, jumping off roofs etc. is propaganda created by the government to keep people from consuming these things. Why do they do this? Why are these drugs illegal? Many will tell you its because of their danger(propaganda) but I think it is because they allow you to think outside the box. A people who expand their minds with hallucinogens will be much harder to control. This maybe far fetched, but I think it makes sense. Imagine a world where 70% of the population tripped on say mushrooms at least 1 time a year. I think we would be living in a very different(better) world.

Most take these things for a variety of reasons, spirituality, recreation, personal reflection.

I myself enjoy taking small doses with friends and having great conversations about all aspects of human nature, society, etc. As to your question about how these substances achieve these actions......Nobody really knows exactly. I also enjoy taking larger doses while alone, and contemplating many things. Also I like to have fun, listen to music, watch a trippy movie or something similar. It depends what kind of mood I am in.

You do not get a new personality every time you trip. I have done mushrooms around 50 times I would guess. I am the same person I always was, though my views on certain things may change. I hope this helps.


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5699697 - 06/01/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The stories about tripping and then becoming a totally differnt person are b.s. as posted above, your the same person you always were, you just have a different and usually clearer view on your world.

Also i think about 99% of the people on these forums got into tripping for the fun of it at first, and then you learn to take this fun experiance and you use it as one of the most powerfull learning tools we as humans have availible to us.

b.t.w great question, one of the best ive heard on here in a while.


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Zimed]
    #5699721 - 06/01/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've found that psychedelics allow you to gain profound insights into your own mind and the world around you. This is not to say that they will simply hand these insights to you, but they can make it possible for you to achieve them, given the right set and setting.

The mind is conditioned. Given a stimulus, it responds as it has to previous and similar stimuli if they have been biologically beneficial. The mind also tends toward the known and predictable, again because it's biologically safer or for similar reasons. For many people, psychedelics allow us to observe the functioning of the mind and its blocks and conditioning. They allow us to, if we want, step outside of the conditioning. It's quite beautiful.


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5699729 - 06/01/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Second, what you were told about people taking these substances and thinking they were invincible, jumping off roofs etc. is propaganda created by the government to keep people from consuming these things. Why do they do this? Why are these drugs illegal? Many will tell you its because of their danger(propaganda) but I think it is because they allow you to think outside the box. A people who expand their minds with hallucinogens will be much harder to control. This maybe far fetched, but I think it makes sense. Imagine a world where 70% of the population tripped on say mushrooms at least 1 time a year. I think we would be living in a very different(better) world.

Most take these things for a variety of reasons, spirituality, recreation, personal reflection.





:thumbup:  I totally agree 100%. Why else would a naturally occuring fungus be a Schedule 1 drug.  The gov't wants to keep us in check.  The masses are much easier to manipulate and control if we are uninformed. Great post!


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: FunkyLoFi]
    #5699775 - 06/01/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

They have found that there is more to reality then we know, and they are afraid to open the door. They don't want us to go in their either because we might learn something, something that they don't know. And that would put us a little out of their control.


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5699792 - 06/01/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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They have found that there is more to reality then we know, and they are afraid to open the door. They don't want us to go in their either because we might learn something, something that they don't know. And that would put us a little out of their control.




or in control of our own lives.  :strokebeard:


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Zimed]
    #5699797 - 06/01/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Psycs. can be used during a phase when one is "finding oneself" in the spiritual, philosophical, and emotional way you describe. However, "coming out with a new personality" each time, although applicable in many situation, really only applies to ppl in that category (finding themselves). I find that people quickly reach a point (whether in tripping careers, or just in life) where they know what to be and not to be true or real, and taking hallucinogens (a MISNOMER) only reinforces those beliefs in their mind...

However, with my experience with people, prolly 80% or so of those under 30 that take psycs take them for "the pretty colors" and may or may not pull something meaningful from it.

However however, i know a LOT of people, who had no meaning in their life, or didn't believe in anything, or otherwise didn't give a shit and took them "for the pretty colors" and afterward ended up having their eyes opened to an entirely better way of life + thinking (spirituality + abstract though) that from that time afterward, took them for that purpose, and not "just for the colors".

They are a tool put here by the Way (whatever that means to you, but be assured, i am confident there IS a higher power and\or order) to be used to help the right people reach self-actualization and utilize their full human potential, or put weak minded fools into a downward cycle that "ruins their life".

I would say stay away from ketamine and MDMA... LSD not at first... Mescaline last, its a woozy, DMT... i donno when is best, i did it after everything else...  and mushrooms first as they are the most natural feeling and can bring you connected to that which is connected, if that is what you desire...

Its about you, what kind if person you want to be, and mushrooms can show you that if you let them, but you shouldn't go into it wanting to take it as a drug...  :royalrainbow:

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And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do
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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: SDP]
    #5699915 - 06/01/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I certainly take psychedelics for introspection, that's what got me interested in them in the first place. However, I first tried DXM just for the fun factor, and it was the insights received during my early 3rd plateau experiences that led me to seek out "true" psychedelics. I've never tried a psychoactive substance for just the appeal of hallucinations.


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Mr_Prickles]
    #5700111 - 06/01/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So, it is more or less, how you go into the psychedelic experience, with pre-thought expectations from the drug. Like, you think you'll have pretty colors, and you do. Or you go into the drug thinking you will have an epiphany, or something...and you do. Or is it all involuntary, or do you control what the drug does to you, by how your mindset is about the drug when you take it?


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Zimed]
    #5700165 - 06/01/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

mushrooms usually are a bit harder to control the direction of the trip, as to say LSD. i don't really think i will see colors and then all the sudden see colors. you trip pretty much brings out the inner you and makes you view things from a very different perspective. psychedelics show you the way, but it's up to the person to follow the way.

if you have no problems or worries, your trip will most likely be a very positive trip. each experience is different. LSD is much easier to direct the way the trip is going IMO.

give it some thought and decide if you're ready to partake in these powerful and spiritual tools.


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5700170 - 06/01/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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They have found that there is more to reality then we know, and they are afraid to open the door. They don't want us to go in their either because we might learn something, something that they don't know. And that would put us a little out of their control.




Haha love that quote from Hallucinogen. But it's so true. The government never displayed any effort to create a society with true freedom. I mean, since when has anybody murdered anybody or got into a fight on shrooms, or acid, or k. Always happens on alcohol. But alcohol doesn't open your mind, so of course the government doesn't mind that. What the fuck has this world come to...


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Zimed]
    #5700322 - 06/01/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you don't always get what you expect, but in my experience, ive always gotten something very useful and something i needed.  my last trip i went into just expecting to be more on the recreational side, and i ended up conversing with "God" or the superconscious for hours, and committing myself to some big changes in my life, for the better.  i was, what some people would call, "saved" and it's not the first time it's happened to me on psychedelics.  i was able to dissect everything in my life that was truly wrong or against my core values and give myself the energy and motivation and answers i needed to change them.  i would fight to the death anyone who was convinced psychedelics are evil and/or destructive.  they are anything but that in my experience.  they are a tool for rapid development and understanding of the world we live in.  they've helped me to see why being careless is unacceptable and how to stand by my beliefs in the toughest of situations.

it is important to understand that every psychedelics is a little different, but they can share common characteristics.  so far LSD has been the ultimate and most powerful, but i have yet to try DMT and i hear that is by far the most profound.  some day, maybe :smile:


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Zimed]
    #5700350 - 06/01/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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So, it is more or less, how you go into the psychedelic experience, with pre-thought expectations from the drug. Like, you think you'll have pretty colors, and you do. Or you go into the drug thinking you will have an epiphany, or something...and you do. Or is it all involuntary, or do you control what the drug does to you, by how your mindset is about the drug when you take it?




There is a reason its called a "trip", psychedelics take you on a journey through your mind, and sometimes through space time (jk). You cannot control whats gonna happen in your trip and if you do try to control whats happening you will most likely have a bad trip. You have to go into the experience with no expectations and an open mind.


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #5700479 - 06/01/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How exactly do they take you through space/time, I do not understand your statement. So, when your talking to higher forces and all this, stuff about inward journies, wha tare you doing? Sitting on the floor in a dark closet, or talking to people? I imagine the first one. I hear that shrooms are more of an inward jounrey and LSD is an outward journey? I would imagine they would be the same though, but I can understand. How can you take shrooms...you have no idea what to expect, doesn't it feel unorganized?


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Zimed]
    #5700511 - 06/01/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

its difficult explaining these concepts our language has no words for...to understand the psychedelic expirience it needs to be a personal expirience.


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Zimed]
    #5700572 - 06/01/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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So, when your talking to higher forces and all this, stuff about inward journies, wha tare you doing? Sitting on the floor in a dark closet, or talking to people? I imagine the first one. I hear that shrooms are more of an inward jounrey and LSD is an outward journey? I would imagine they would be the same though, but I can understand. How can you take shrooms...you have no idea what to expect, doesn't it feel unorganized?




Once people get past the pretty color phase, people start to take them to explore their minds. This is what the trip is about, for me. You don't need to be in a dark room, it doesn't matter where you are (though I personally enjoy nature), because wherever you are, you are experiencing/exploring your mind in a way that sobriety could never yield (to my mind, anyway).

I guess a trip is unorganized in that you can't general direct or control it (and often trying to do so results in bad trips). But a trip always feels more rewarding to me if it's not about what I'm trying to get out of it, but instead about experiencing what the drug wants you to experience.

I don't think that inward vs outward journeys is a very good analogy for the difference between shrroms and acid. I don't know that there really is an adequate way to describe the difference, short of experiencing both. The closest I can get is, to me acid feels clearer, while mushrooms feel more murky.(though mushrooms have more of a revelatory sort of feeling than acid, for me)


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: Entropymancer]
    #5700724 - 06/01/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I view psychedelics as like Plato's allegory of the cave: We live our whole lives in the tiny cave of consciousness, with our bodies tied into one position, looking at the two dimensional shadows our brain filters out from the three dimensional images that are in reality. To take a psychedelic is to break free of our bonds, escape the cave, and see the world in it's intense three dimensional beauty.

However, this is so different that it's impossible to describe it to the people back in the cave. "LSD?! Why on earth would anyone want to take that?" People see it as some kind of escape from "reality", the normal, everyday and therefore somehow correct world. In fact, they are wrong. They're just looking at shadows on a wall, sitting at home watching their television, going to work, making money, spitting out babies and dying. And yet they believe that this is pretty much everything the human experience has to offer.

However, just outside the cave is a group of people exploring an entire universe. Taking LSD and shrooms, going to Burning Man, practicing meditation and lucid dreaming, etc. The most important parts of life are those yet unexplored. What if most people's lives is just sitting around on the edge of a cave while a whole universe of paradise is a few feet away, waiting for them. Wouldn't you want to break free and at least catch a glimpse of that universe?


Edit: Stemmer I'm sure has some interesting things to say on the subject. I remember a thread called "why we trip" or something like that a while ago where he posted some really fascinating stuff. (couldn't find it when I searched for it)


Edited by gururvishnu (06/01/06 08:17 PM)


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Re: Confused About Psychedelic Users. [Re: gururvishnu]
    #5701770 - 06/01/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics do not change you. YOU change you. Psychedelics simply allow you to change yourself. They show you the error of your ways. They also show you what is outside of this reality.

Altering your consciousness to the extent that psychedelics allow you is extremely profound and it opens the doors to millions of questions you previously never considered.

They give you objectivity and dissolve the illusion of separation.

Psychedelics are truly impossible to understand without actually experiencing them. They transcend language, concrete ideas, and simple thought.

I personally do psychedelics for fun and spirituality. I truly feel like I'm improving my psyche with the use of psychedelics, and I find the experience fascinating.

I truly recommend them to every single person on this planet. Sex and Psychedelics are essential to our beings.


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