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trentallica
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disappointed newbie
#5699442 - 06/01/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have started to become somewhat disappointed in this site. the techs are great, and if you can find an answer in the archives then that is cool also. this is the number one spot for information that is already said, but if you need to ask for help, and ask for it in a post then its a crap shoot. sometimes i get awesome advice but most times i just get blown off. there is a lot of putting down of newbies for not being able to find there answer on there own before asking the cultivation from first. no not everyone goes to FAQ first, so what. i read one post that complained that there was not a form for newbies to ask stupid questions. as far as i can see this is the form for newbies asking stupid questions. if simple questions offend you then don't read them. there is an Advanced Mycology just for all you people that already know what your doing. if we did not have stupid questions thats where we would be. when i first came to this site less then a month ago i was under the impression that this was a place to learn something new. a place where you can make mistakes and others will not chastise you for them, and i still believe that that may be how it started ,but there a few that have become arrogant to the incompetence's of newbies. taking on a new learning project such as mushrooms, where all kinds of things can go wrong , can be daunting and intimidating. with increased frustration levels even an intelligent persons cooping and resource skills can regress. I'm sure that the majority of mushroom growers are above average intelligences. first of all it take a confidences in yourself , and your ability to learn new skills to even think about growing mushrooms. so lay off we just want to ask a question ok. Ive known plenty of people in my time that wont even think about trying to grow mushrooms because they already have convinced themselves they cant. even amongst my close friends not one person has said " how do you do that?" they just say " let me know how it turns out.". we are not stupid, unresourcefull, unintelligent, incompetent or inept we just need some feed back to build up our confidants,and a few successes. we want to know that we are not the only ones having problems that can be fixed. if we have no problem what so ever, but think we might and post to it just let us know that everything is cool and maybe a link to research it. the negative responses some people get in there post can keep other people from asking there important question, because they might be afraid of being told they should already know before they even ask.
in short I'm a newbie, and can relate to the stupid questions. this is the form for that, is it not?? in my opinion this form needs to work on being a little more supportive to newbies. if you don't want this to be a newbie from then create one for us. thats my two cents worth
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Jim


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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699444 - 06/01/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Try using IRC.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699452 - 06/01/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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im a noob also, but I dont agree with you. you may take it as their blowing you off, but what if they dont know the awnser? or people who do know the awnser arnt around? at least thats what I think when I post a question. even the pros have unawnsered questions.
-------------------- one branch of man turns away what has made us who we are, the other,excepts it for how its made man. which path do you choose? ------------------------------------- Man takes advantage of who he is,nature is his home, where he evolved from. So why does he turn it down, defy, and mutalate his birth ground? why does he spread disease, murder his native animals,rape and torture his land, and still feel descent of who he is? live a life that is not true? excepts an artificial home?
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trentallica
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Jim]
#5699461 - 06/01/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jim said: Try using IRC.
see what i mean even some peoples personal singure is a put down to people who ask questions. its not always being lazy
-------------------- The only ones for me are the mad ones..........
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Atheist
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699468 - 06/01/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'd help u but that paragraph is kind of scary, sorry man
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Atheist
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Atheist]
#5699477 - 06/01/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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okay i read the first 8 lines and the thing that pisses people off is that newbies don't know how to use the search feature
set it to like 3 or 4 years and you get so many threads about the same question asked so many different ways
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creamcorn
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Jim]
#5699479 - 06/01/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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well the problem with a forum for newbies is that it will be loaded with newbies... what kind of advice do you think you'll get there?
its not that most of us have any problem with newbies, its just that all those questions you speak of have been asked hundreds of times over. sometimes a few times in the same day. if you can't spend a few minutes looking around before you ask to see that your question has been answered i don't know how much simpler we can make it for you. we're all here to help one another but not spoon feed and hold everyone's hands.
if you really have done some due dilligence and used some resourcefulness, nobody is gonna chew you out for asking a question that's already been asked. its the really really obvious ones that get on people's nerves. like you said if people are offended by the questions they don't have to read them, likewise, just blow off any smart ass replies you get...
if you want good advice, you need to learn to ask good questions. the more specific information you give about your situation and the question (with pictures when applicable) the more people with answers can base their answer on! there's so many ways of doing things, that vauge questions usually get vauge answers or incorrect answers all together. we're mycology hobbyists, not mind readers! 
and remember you can only read so much, even if you read it all. you learn with experience. expect to screw up and expect poor results from time to time. its all part of the game, and when you learn hands-on from your mistakes that's way more valuable than anything anybody can post on a forum.
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AKtoker
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Atheist]
#5699480 - 06/01/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think 3 different cultivation forums would be nice, beginner, intermediate and advanced.
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Atheist
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: AKtoker]
#5699491 - 06/01/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AKtoker said: I think 3 different cultivation forums would be nice, beginner, intermediate and advanced.
Yeah but isnt that what the FAQs are for and the Search Posts button? People are just lazy and retarded but the Beginner forum isn't that bad of an idea
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Jim


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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: AKtoker]
#5699514 - 06/01/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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there are already two of those...
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Jim]
#5699530 - 06/01/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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mmmkaaay, a noob on a rampage...
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Atheist
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Jim]
#5699533 - 06/01/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jim said: there are already two of those...
2 of what
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dudefromaz
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Atheist]
#5699536 - 06/01/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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forums for types of cultivation,
beginner, intermediat, advance
-------------------- Remember, the best drug, is a natural drug..... Peace, Fratirnityishly, Smoke Da Stuff, Special Chocolate
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inoculatedGreif
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: AKtoker]
#5699538 - 06/01/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love your avatar,lol.
-------------------- one branch of man turns away what has made us who we are, the other,excepts it for how its made man. which path do you choose? ------------------------------------- Man takes advantage of who he is,nature is his home, where he evolved from. So why does he turn it down, defy, and mutalate his birth ground? why does he spread disease, murder his native animals,rape and torture his land, and still feel descent of who he is? live a life that is not true? excepts an artificial home?
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Atheist
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wheres the beginner forum?
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kilroy
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Atheist]
#5699547 - 06/01/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did alot of reading in the faqs and did alot of searches when I started here I seen one very good thing that was said when using the seach tool change how far back it goes, I found alot of my answers in post that were over a year old. I am new too and I also help other beginners out alot, the reason I know most of the stuff is like they said the faq section and search tool. I know it can be agravating as hell sometimes but if you do not have the patiences to look or put up with remarks then you need to work on it if you want to grow these gifts from the gods. Just letting you know from what I have learned already
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dudefromaz
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: dudefromaz]
#5699548 - 06/01/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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exactly the point, he said we have 2 of those,(the intermediate and advance)
and innoculatedgrief thanks dude
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creamcorn
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: dudefromaz]
#5699555 - 06/01/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think the two forums we have now are just fine. the "beginner" section of the site is here too... its the cultivation section, full of faqs and other resources. it doesn't need to be interactive. everything a beginner needs to know is spelled out in black and white. ive had huge successes learning from books and articles and teks years before ever deciding to join in on the boards. (glad i did though, lots of new ideas here that have changed the entire way i do things in just a few months...)
anything worth having is worth working for. it rarely falls into your lap or gets handed to you.
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Telepylus
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: creamcorn]
#5699571 - 06/01/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think shroomery is sort of famous for treating half the newbies like shit. that's sort of typical with message boards anyways.
if you have some questions you need answering feel free to send me a pesonal message
i don't even waste my time talking about mycology in the open here. but i know alot about it.
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trentallica
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Atheist]
#5699610 - 06/01/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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SpicyTunaRoll said:
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AKtoker said: I think 3 different cultivation forums would be nice, beginner, intermediate and advanced.
Yeah but isnt that what the FAQs are for and the Search Posts button? People are just lazy and retarded but the Beginner forum isn't that bad of an idea
see thats my point. People are NOT just lazy and retarded. they just need to be reassured and pacified sometimes. yes i agree that asking better questions gets better answers. a newbie may have a good question , but just not be exposed to the jargon enough to describe it.
if a question is asked hundreds of times over. sometimes a few times in the same day. THEN ITS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION
"we're all here to help one another but not spoon feed and hold everyone's hands." couldn't agree more, but some people are just dicks about it.
"just blow off any smart ass replies you get" i don't really get shit on in my post, but i have read others that have. i see no reason for it. if you want to direct them to FAQ then by all means do, but don't scare them away from asking another question in the future.
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creamcorn
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699655 - 06/01/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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as for "jargon" there's a huge glossary. should learn to speak the language before trying to have a conversion, period.
and if a question is asked often, yeah maybe it is important, but that's not relevant... it also means the answer can be found in several places, and 30 seconds of effort would have yielded the answer. there's a FAQ for a reason too. lets not forget, FAQ = FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. so rather than adding to the frequency and just annoying everyone, go get the answer yourself.
and my final comment on all of this... you'll get treated the way you act to an extent. and this is a good example. come up here and give us attitude and guess what you get back? believe it or not we're not a paid staff of customer service representatives on call 24 hours a day just waiting to serve you better. why should any of us waste our time helping somebody if a) they're too lazy to help themselves b) have a bad attitude c) never contribute anything in return. the people that ask the stupid questions rarely go on to be the ones providing good advice to others later... be greatful we have this resource at all. it wasnt too long ago that home cultivation was unheard of, and its a developing science... consider it a work in progress and take it for what it is rather than complain about it.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: creamcorn]
#5699706 - 06/01/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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well this is a community of people you are bound to have your posts viewed by with really cool people or a bunch or bastards -
im more of an off subject poster - no flames or contribution but still saying something worth reading...
best thing to be is understanding that its just a bunch of other people online, why is it their duty to make you or me feel good? Theres a ton of achival posts on here that will answer all of the newbie questions. You just need to be understanding most of these people are probably like doing their own thing on here...
learn to post at the right time, and with the right heading, you might get more responses.... hey that was a contribution
anyone see that batman begins movie?? what did you think?
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: AKtoker]
#5699750 - 06/01/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AKtoker said: I think 3 different cultivation forums would be nice, beginner, intermediate and advanced.
tho when this debate was going around, i was 50/50 for it, but lately i DO believe its a good idea..
sometimes i dont feel like answering a lot of the same questions again, but at the same time im not up to anything "heavy" per say...
a nice middle ground forum would fit the days i feel like being "in between noob and advanced " lol
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: ManianFH]
#5699769 - 06/01/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree with above, there should be a sections just for people who are noobs and starting out. that way it gives the noobs a chance to awnser what they can. theres bound to be vetrans skimming over it also, so if there is a question that no noob can awnser by searching etc. then the vets can awnser. but all in all it would be a good idea.
and i did see batman begins, that movie was awsome. it realy emphazized on where batman came from, who he is. and what hes learned. I also like how they had scarecrow as a villian. they need more unique charicters. I liked the first one because joker was in it, but you cant have joker without his side kick......for the life of I cant remember her name....I wana say harvey? but thats the same name as twoface. anyway it was a bad ass movie.
-------------------- one branch of man turns away what has made us who we are, the other,excepts it for how its made man. which path do you choose? ------------------------------------- Man takes advantage of who he is,nature is his home, where he evolved from. So why does he turn it down, defy, and mutalate his birth ground? why does he spread disease, murder his native animals,rape and torture his land, and still feel descent of who he is? live a life that is not true? excepts an artificial home?
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699786 - 06/01/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Look man, let me explain something to you. This site has what, 30,000 members? That doesnt even count all the traffic we receive from non members. Do you know what it's like to wade through "omg i inoculated my jars 2 hrs ago and i see nothing" type of questions each and every day? Not only does it clutter the database with useless posts, they push worthwhile or unanswered questions to the bottom.
On another note, no here is going to hold your hand. This site is a RESOURCE not a silver spoon in your mouth. The purpose of directing noobs to the faqs and the search engine is to make them more self reliant. By being able to find your answers without asking a question you are demonstrating the desire to actually LEARN about mush cult. Not only that, but by reading more and asking less you gain more information. Ever check out the related links at the bottom of a thread? Have you ever spent hours going through search links looking for answers? Just because you may not find a specific answer doesnt mean you're not learning at the same time. You may stumble across some tek's or other information that you would have never even thought about searching for.
This site is educational, it's not how to grow mushrooms for profit 101 (which some new members believe it is). So you really can't get pissy when people show signs of laziness and no real desire, or love, for mush cult other then money and getting high.
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
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trentallica
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699832 - 06/01/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"as for "jargon" there's a huge glossary. should learn to speak the language before trying to have a conversion, period." see that is bull shit right there. using that logic ( or lack there of) i have no business taking care of my own can , because i have not studied how the car was put together in the first place, and hey just how many of us have any idea what an octane is, so i guess we should not fill our own gas tanks. like you said its a huge glossary. ill be damned if I'm going to study all that before i even get started. what about med students. just how much knowledge should they have about disease before studying medical shit. this is a learning process.
"there's a FAQ for a reason too. lets not forget, FAQ = FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS." I'm all on your side with that. yes people need to be educated as to the search feature, but getting all on there ass about is counter productive to the learning process and dose nothing more then hinder your own efforts. just calm down. people are going to ask the same question over and over. you have a proven history to show that. the only way to fix a problem is to accept the problem first. if you handle the same problem the same way every time you get the same results. as an intelligent person you should be able to deduct that all on your own. some people are just getting way too emotional in their post.
"why should any of us waste our time helping somebody if a) they're too lazy to help themselves b) have a bad attitude c) never contribute anything in return. " DUDE!!! what the hell. A) if they were too lazy they would not be here in the first place. there are here because they have already been inspired, and did a little looking into the subject, and found your site. now true this is not a blanket statement but i have to believe that it applies to at lest 90% of us. helping themselves is why they ask questions. B) attitude develops when frustration levels increase, if you really want to be the helping type you need to recognize the attitude so you can see the statement or question behind the temporary attitude. its not personal against you they are just having a bad moment. try to work around it not through it. most people respond positively to having the way they come off to others pointed out to them and will calm down and even apologize. not all but most. you had to know what you were getting into before you started this job , right..? thats like me going to work in the health care industry, and then complaining that broken people are needy. i knew the risk when i started my job. I'm a suicide hot-line volunteer do you think i took the job so i can bitch about how people who want to kill themselves have no idea how to use the phone book to find out what counselors will or wont take Medicaid. you need to meet people were they are. C) OK you got me on that one. ill do what i can in return for all your help. ill even try to undumb people for you.
"be greatful we have this resource at all. it wasnt too long ago that home cultivation was unheard of, and its a developing science... consider it a work in progress and take it for what it is rather than complain about it. "
thank you ! ! ! !
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trentallica
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: coda]
#5699854 - 06/01/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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coda said: Look man, let me explain something to you. This site has what, 30,000 members? That doesnt even count all the traffic we receive from non members. Do you know what it's like to wade through "omg i inoculated my jars 2 hrs ago and i see nothing" type of questions each and every day? Not only does it clutter the database with useless posts, they push worthwhile or unanswered questions to the bottom.
On another note, no here is going to hold your hand. This site is a RESOURCE not a silver spoon in your mouth. The purpose of directing noobs to the faqs and the search engine is to make them more self reliant. By being able to find your answers without asking a question you are demonstrating the desire to actually LEARN about mush cult. Not only that, but by reading more and asking less you gain more information. Ever check out the related links at the bottom of a thread? Have you ever spent hours going through search links looking for answers? Just because you may not find a specific answer doesnt mean you're not learning at the same time. You may stumble across some tek's or other information that you would have never even thought about searching for.
This site is educational, it's not how to grow mushrooms for profit 101 (which some new members believe it is). So you really can't get pissy when people show signs of laziness and no real desire, or love, for mush cult other then money and getting high.
im being misunderstood here. im not saying spoon feed them or even strock there ego. im just saying that when you cut there dick off just for asking its look bad to anyone who reads it.
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creamcorn
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699869 - 06/01/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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trentallica said: "as for "jargon" there's a huge glossary. should learn to speak the language before trying to have a conversion, period." see that is bull shit right there. using that logic ( or lack there of) i have no business taking care of my own can , because i have not studied how the car was put together in the first place, and hey just how many of us have any idea what an octane is, so i guess we should not fill our own gas tanks. like you said its a huge glossary. ill be damned if I'm going to study all that before i even get started.
ok we compromise on most of the points but here. but i still take issue...
driving a car isn't a science. its nowhere near as complicated as mushroom cultivation. and that aside, you do have to learn the "language" before you drive. you need to learn how to operate it. the rules of the road. what street signs mean. etc. its exactly like reading over a glossary. perhaps "huge" is a wrong choice of words too, i mean more like "complete", it has all that you need and only takes a few minutes to skim over. then you can ask questions that make sense, using the correct terminology, and understand the answers you receive. it also shows that you spent more than 30 seconds of your time before expecting somebody else to spend their time.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: creamcorn]
#5699921 - 06/01/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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FIRST OF ALL, I think you (trentallica) are overreacting to these insulting posts. As far as I'm concerned, on Mushroom Cult, I rarely see them.
Yes there is sarcasm and whatever you call it, teasing whatever. Shit is bound to happen but for some reason I believe you are blowing it out of proportion.
You are making it a much larger issue that it really is. This thread sucks.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: creamcorn]
#5699923 - 06/01/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's what I have to say about the whole thing .
Anyone with half a brain should be able to cultivate something , at least PF TEK , without the need to ask a single question . All the info is here . Just take the time to do some research and reading . I didn't know a thing about cultivating a year and a half ago , but still was able to make my first post a thank you for all the info post when my first cakes were fruiting .
I just spent hours upon hours of reading this board . Not hard . 
After cakes things can get a little more complicated and need some assistance , I know I do from time to time , lol .
The biggest problem comes from peeps who hop on here and start asking questions without reading a thing , not saying you are one of these , and ask things like , which strain is best ? how much will I get from 6 BRF cakes ? and so on and so on .
I think the biggest problem is too many kids on here . 
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Atheist]
#5699939 - 06/01/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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this thread has been locked my me.
Reason: has nothing to do with mushies
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699959 - 06/01/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Reading the FAQ should be the first thing you do before even comming to the forums. If youre not interested in somewhat learning on youre own people are probably going to ignore you. I try to ask a s little as possible in these forums, one because im paranaoid, and second because I try to learn as much as I can on my own, so I retain it for future use. Its all just learning the process, which cant be told, it has to be experienced.
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cool man, glad you liked it! im totoally goona go see it ;p
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: creamcorn]
#5699973 - 06/01/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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creamcorn said:
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trentallica said: "as for "jargon" there's a huge glossary. should learn to speak the language before trying to have a conversion, period." see that is bull shit right there. using that logic ( or lack there of) i have no business taking care of my own can , because i have not studied how the car was put together in the first place, and hey just how many of us have any idea what an octane is, so i guess we should not fill our own gas tanks. like you said its a huge glossary. ill be damned if I'm going to study all that before i even get started.
ok we compromise on most of the points but here. but i still take issue...
driving a car isn't a science. its nowhere near as complicated as mushroom cultivation. and that aside, you do have to learn the "language" before you drive. you need to learn how to operate it. the rules of the road. what street signs mean. etc. its exactly like reading over a glossary. perhaps "huge" is a wrong choice of words too, i mean more like "complete", it has all that you need and only takes a few minutes to skim over. then you can ask questions that make sense, using the correct terminology, and understand the answers you receive. it also shows that you spent more than 30 seconds of your time before expecting somebody else to spend their time.
yes !, point giving about the car. I'm glad to see that you and i have seem to come to a point of agreement. i just started less then a month ago, and i have already learned so much. i really hope that i can get to the point of knowledge, and experience that i can aid you in your efforts to educate the public.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699990 - 06/01/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont think all the calculated arguments in the world will change the fact that there will always be new people asking stupid questions, me saying stupid things, and you complaining about it heheh
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: ManianFH]
#5699996 - 06/01/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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it hasnt came out yet at your part? I know here its out of theatres and on dvd/vhs.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5699998 - 06/01/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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1, cry me a river 2, "so what if people use don't read the FAQs first"? people who don't want to help themselves don't deserve to be helped. 3, you'll usually have much quicker and thorough answers if you get on the irc server and ask in #cultivation 4, the advanced forum isn't for "people who know what they're doing already", it's for advanced cultivation techniques. 5, keep trying and if you don't get an answer, just try out 1 or 2 different things and post the results here. this is a hobby where experience is invaluable, and you might teach somebody else something.
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heh no man - my friend got the dvd on lime wire - but i think its out in the theaters still...
jk bout that last post too heh,, just sounded funny..
dude x-men 3 was friggggen awwwwesome though!!! alot of poeople didnt like it cause it really ended the chance of an x-men 4, save a wolverine spin off movie thing
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: ManianFH]
#5700017 - 06/01/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just went to the movies website where it lists the movies that are playing, then I asked in the movies forums if batman returms was playing...
and they said to me, check the list asshole, dont ask stupid questions... wow wtf?!/!/
batman is not in theaters anymore....
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5700063 - 06/01/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've only been on here for about a month and I feel like I pretty much know everything I need to know for my mushroom growing needs. I have not come across anyone who has put me down. But I only ask questions which I cannot find the answer to. I have asked a lot of questions and almost every time got the info I needed from somebody. If someone acts like a smartass to you once in a while who cares. I read this book called the four agreements one time. One of the agreements is "Don't take anything personally." What people say and do is only a projection of their reality. Relax....
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: creamcorn]
#5700089 - 06/01/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trentallica, you need to look at it another way. Growing shrooms takes a lot of patience. Many noobs(not all), expect to be picking shrooms out of their grow within days or weeks of starting. Many noobs get extremely impatient with vendors if they don't receive spore or supplies within a week. When Swim 1st started here (not to long ago), the 1st thing he did was read up on growing and made a decisions on growing process, and strains of shroom that would fit his need the best. Only then did he start asking questions, which he tried to make as intelligent as possible. There are wonderful people here to help you. SWIM had decided to try growbags and found out who had the knowledge to help and then read all of that persons(cervantes) posts which related to grow bags. There are many here who will mentor you if approached with respect and if you show that you have done your homework. Don't expect other posters to hold your hand, SWIM didn't. There are others here that have no patience-just ignore them, every site like this has posters like that. Thats life. Do not be afraid to ask questions, just don't ask dumb ones that came be easily searched. Figure out which posters are the pros and are willing to give advice. they are everywhere. Don't be afraid to PM them if you are worried about getting trashed in a forum. My 2 cents
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: ManianFH]
#5700098 - 06/01/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yah, I didnt like xmen 3. all of xmen 2 and one was to prepare them, like the sentanal at the begining. the sentanals should have gone after the xmen.instead they killed off 3 of the most important people, and the "mutant war" was weak as hell. in the cartoons and such the mutant war was the rise of the sentanials. I think its because they changed directors, the movie just wasnt as good as it could have ben. like the lighting and angles wernt how they were in the first and second. maybe theyll do another. if they do the 4th one better have sentanals and appacalypse in it. you are an asshole, dont ask stupid questions..
j/k.lol.
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ok real quick, you say that you do take the time to read... I'm calling BULLSHIT!! i just went through and looked at some threads that you have started. I just skimmed through starting at the bottom and this is what i have found....
can i refrigerate a cake to let other cakes mature before i case?
how hot is to hot for incubation?
strain suggestion
fruiting question- do i really need FAE in my FC?
now in two seconds i found a thread related to the first one
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5445988
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: BPJohnny]
#5700341 - 06/01/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i cma as a newbie and i read read read.
Newbies have to read alot more than they ask questions. read teks, read threads, read FAQs
go on IRC. it isnt simply about asking quesitons on a thread.
even when I was a newbie i got pissed off at questions like "can i use perlite instead of verm?" or "can i boil instead of PC?" so many questions are already answered a million times.
as Hippiechick said, people come here and post a question without reading shit.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: BPJohnny]
#5700429 - 06/01/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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BPJohnny said: ok real quick, you say that you do take the time to read... I'm calling BULLSHIT!! i just went through and looked at some threads that you have started. I just skimmed through starting at the bottom and this is what i have found....
can i refrigerate a cake to let other cakes mature before i case?
how hot is to hot for incubation?
strain suggestion
fruiting question- do i really need FAE in my FC?
now in two seconds i found a thread related to the first one
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5445988
yes i suffer moments of dumdassism just like everybody else. what i fail to see is your point in bringing up my past post. i have looked up those post and other then the suggestion that i m over complicating i myself have not been bashed to any extent, so this post was not started because I'm butt hurt or anything. i don't know what you think putting me on the stand to tarnish my character will do for you, but let me defend.
can i refrigerate a cake to let other cakes mature before i case? i admit that was dumb assed, but no one jumped my shit for it.
how hot is to hot for incubation? i did the search how hot is to hot for incubation? 549 results returned. for some reason i can only look at the first page of results.when i hit next or page 2 it gets weird. not one title on the first page suggested an answer to my question, so i posted.
strain suggestion there is no way i apologies for that one. i did the search and read plenty. the post was for further research.
fruiting question- do i really need FAE in my FC? i had a ligament explanation for that question. i had not ran into any info that said " sure as long as your humidifier is moving enough air don't worry about it" , so i asked. as it turns out i was a dumb ass. no post would say that. i did not even have my FC set up but i was trying to plan it out in my mind . it was a concern for me at the moment. so i posted
now in two seconds i found a thread related to the first one. how long have you been here as compared to my time at the time of that only one dumb assed question that you could find that i asked??
ladies and gentlemen of the jury i do my search option and ask for information, or clarification afterwords. i present to you defendants exhibits A through J
uv lights 1144 results returned. just how many of theses do i have to go through before i can ask in post. i looked. i posted
two weeks no spores!! just fishing for reassurances. no harm there
dark syringe again i was unsure. at that time i needed to hear it from now time not FAQ
request for KSSS pics did the search. nothing. did get the pic though. thank you all for that.
fruiting question a search did not give my the direct answer i wanted to know. very informative post. thank you all.
i have a question about my LC attempt??? i admit my search on that was minimal at best. but i did try. kinda
what is the Ph concerns of straw/manure casting?? i did the search. it became exhausting. what i did not realize at the time is peat moss was my concern not straw, but i did not know so i asked.
will an autoclave destroy nutrients in a growth medium???. never did get an answer, but i now figure it has to be no. autoclave is what they use on agar i believe.
how must corn syrup do i use in an LC ?? did the search, but i just wanted to hear it from others as well
can i use boiling water to sterilize??? i should have worded my search better, but i did again kinda try. OK half dumb assed on that one.
there is more but i hope i have cleared my name by now. what say ye
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5700466 - 06/01/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, most of those questions are common sense retard questions. use your brain and a little bit of common sense and you wouldn't have to ask. all i can say is READ then when you're done, go ahead and RE-READ then when you're done go READ SOME MORE jeez and you can't just do a search for "uv lights" and expect to get specific answers fool limit searches to 'words in topic only' and BE SPECIFIC
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5700494 - 06/01/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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As a newbie I have no problem with any of this. Though your not the first one to point this out, and there is a valid point here. I think the solutions that where talked about would (splitting the forum)help to clear certain issues.
This 'hobby' is very very difficult to truly understand. I know I dont, and have only had a glance into it.
Stop asking question and start answering them. I often have to spend time looking and reading to answer other peoples questions. I do that cause 'teaching' is the best way to learn. I like to research, and often get sidetracked, into new things.
I think splitting the forum was a good idea, but I understand why not (begrudgingly). I think it would help those who want to help and those in need of it.
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trentallica thats pretty good of you to defend people who don't know what there doing but if you want to see sombody who didn't know what they were doing look up the name Skron in the search thing now that was funny...im not making fun of that guy but it was funny he seemed like one funny guy haha
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the way to get people to reply to you is making a creative title
thankyou
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: dudefromaz]
#5700735 - 06/01/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay I have to make a comment on this, just can not pass it up. The fruitchamber FAE question. I do not think that there is one tek that says that it is not important. if you read you would have known that, and I mean that every FC thing in the faq section says how important FAE is it is called fanning from the very first tek on mushroom growing. so it isn`t how many did you read but did you read any at all. You might be discouraged right now because you have very little patiences but you opened a hole can of shit here. I am with HC(hippychic) I read and read and then chated in the chat room and alot of times i just read and looked at peoples post. You need to read the basics of this thing before you probly even try to do it. I am sorry if you feel like you are being attacked but everyone can tell you have not done really any research and then got upset that no one has responded to you post in what you think is a timely matter
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: kilroy]
#5700751 - 06/01/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea man seriously the best way I learn is just watching people post questions and reading the answers
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wow! optx thank you so much for making my point for me. your illustrative example is exactly what I'm talking about. i wish i could have put it that way like 38 replies ago. optx's fine example of what kind of a self righteous asshole you should not be as well the insightful remakes of a few others have led me to the conclusion that 1) insecure and uninformed people will always look for an easy answer , and 2) assholes ( OMG thank you otex) will always prey on them. someone on the way back said that these kind of post are always this way. i have nothing to compare that statement with . this is the first on-line community that i have ever really had anything to do with. there are a few backgammon sites that i visit, but i don't think that counts. if that is so then it is so and ill lay down my complaint, and just let it be. as far as talk of a 2nd form just for newbies goes my comment is this. being put down by another newbie, and being told to go to FAQ by another newbie is not as bad. I'm all for promoting education, but i don't know maybe it just because i don't have the dickhead gene in my DNA, but i like to do it in a way that will work and be listened to. not just help me deal with my unresolved schoolyard issues.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: ke1n]
#5700794 - 06/01/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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trentallica I personally have spent hundreds if not a thousand hours absorbing any and all info pertinent to the cultivation of our little friends. The problem was there was no internet when I first started and there were few books too so info was limited until TMC which was heaven for me, I highly recommend it to anyone serious at all about this hobby BTW as well as his new book "Mycelium Running". With that said the more experienced cultivators do expect you to put in some dues also because we have put most of our knowledge out there already in posts and FAQ's a labor of love without question. Now I have not only no problem with newbies PMing me with questions and I welcome it as long as they take the time to do some research first and believe me we who know know if you have or not. Anyway the internet is a godsend without a doubt for those with the need to expand their knowledge and thats why I'm here (to answer the best I can any and all questions). Feel free if you are ever having a problem finding an answer to PM me.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: hyphae]
#5700822 - 06/01/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I say thank you to all of the members who have helped me with my questions and for the faq and post they have put up to help all of us newbies out. If it not for all of your knowldge we would not be able to study these beautiful little wonders from god, and if I may request that we show a little more patiences with the new members? And to the new members, plz show the more experirence growers respect by reading thier post and faqs for they have taken the time to put it together for us. I shall leave you guys to these things to think about. GL all
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5700890 - 06/01/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"someone on the way back said that these kind of post are always this way. i have nothing to compare that statement with"
that again proves how little you read other peoples' posts on the bulletboard!
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Optx]
#5700910 - 06/01/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Optx said: "someone on the way back said that these kind of post are always this way. i have nothing to compare that statement with"
that again proves how little you read other peoples' posts on the bulletboard!
what dose that even mean??
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5700918 - 06/01/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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that means that you can't even find a post to compare to, because you don't take the time to read anybody else's posts
you == quick!
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Optx]
#5700954 - 06/01/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Optx said: that means that you can't even find a post to compare to, because you don't take the time to read anybody else's posts
you == quick!
maybe post was the wrong word i ment form not post
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5700964 - 06/01/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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See, this is why i think there should be a beginner forum. Newbs should definitly spend some time searching before asking a question, but sometimes it's difficult to find something specific you are looking for.
When i started growing, i read many hours before hand, but when the time came for me to start my grow, there were certain things I'd forgotten or wanted clarification on. The problem was, I'd read so many threads and FAQs on the subject, I didnt know where to look. So, asking a short question that someone could answer from memory saved me a lot of time.
If there were a beginner forum, people could ask the simple questions that sometimes clutter the mush cult forum. The intermediate forum could be for slightly more advanced questions, like using bulk substrates and etc, and the advanced forum would stay basically the way it is.
Anyone that hates all the noobish questions could simply stay out of the basic forum. People that wanted to help the noobs could pop in and answer the simple questions with relative ease from memory.
The only problem i could see with having a beginner forum is it might encourage noobs to simply post frivolous questions, rather then searching at all.
I do agree that there are too many simple questions asked in the mush cult forum, that could easily be found with 5 minutes of searching. That's why i would like an intermediate forum to hang out, where i don't have to wade through questions from people to lazy to search.
The advanced mycology is exactly that, much more advanced. Crossing strains, experimental substrates etc... Mush cult is more of a combination begginner/intermediate, and I think there could be some benefit to a split.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: kilroy]
#5700982 - 06/01/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I personally don't mind the noob questions. I have and have had them myself. However, after several months of scouring the site and watching this board you can become agitated by certain questions.
For myself, what I dislike is the 'new' information(the stuff I'm looking for when I check the board now) being pushed down several pages and being replaced with 'what is, and where can I get, vermiculte?' and the like.
Their is a noob question thread, as well as comprehensive FAQs, guides, glossary, and TWO(count them)TWO search functions for this website.
So the resources exist, they're relatively easy to use as well. Try to agrue against that. Argue that the resources are not right in front of your face, a single click away, sometimes maybe two.
Then once that argument has failed, explain why we should point to the 'READ THIS FIRST, NEWBIE QUESTIONS ANSWERED HERE!'(or whatever it's called) thread when someone asks a question that is answered there. I've even seen noobs go as far as to complain when someone gave them a link instead of just answering the question for them.
Is it possible that asking a question that is answered right in front of your face, that the experienced posters might feel like they are being used inapropriately? And the other users that want to see the new, existing stuff that doesn't belong in advanced mycology miss out on what they love?
Some might say that if you'd spent the 10-15 minutes reading the noobie thread at the top of the forum(that's where we go wrong, it takes some people too much effort to read for 10 minutes)then you wouldn't have asked the same IMPORTANT question that has been asked and ANSWERED millions of times.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: AKtoker]
#5700988 - 06/01/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, for the most part, I don't think people are excessivly rude when telling noobs to use the search engine.
MANY threads i see could be answered with one search query. Theres a difference between not being able to find the answer you need, and simply being to lazy to look.
Everyone gets tired of reading questions that have been asked and answerd 3 times a day.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: cappa]
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im so angry right now....
ARRRRGRREREEA???!!! SOUP!!!!
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: AKtoker]
#5701020 - 06/01/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Optx]
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Greetings.. I'm a complete noob.. been reading for around 3 weeks or so continuously.. just inoculated my first set of rye jars... am expecting some nice green or yellow putrid growth in 2 weeks so as to not be disappointed when they aren't 
It's gonna take me forever to get any number of posts over here at my rate of posting.. lol..
Wow.. spellchecking excellent.. lmfao I like this place better and better every day  Anywho.. I wish more people would just read the available data... everything is there...
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Eraserhead]
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I didnt post anything for the 1st year I was here. I didnt see the point all the info I needed was easy enough to find just by reading things and using the search. I only started posting when I decided I wanted to get into the marketplace and other forums.
This website is honestly like someone handing you a great big encyclopedia. If your patient and can use the glossery (search in the case of this site). You can learn the answer to just about any question you want.
Try to think about it like being in a college library everyone is here to study and learn. If your constantly hastling the uper class men we are only gona get snapy at you because we have our own stuff to do. Also if everyone keeps asking questions with way easy answers it gets anoying. Imagin siting somewere reading a book next to a sign telling people were something is. Say the bathroom or something, how iritating is it gona be when you get interupted in your reading ever 5 min by someone asking were the bathroom is?
Its not my job to answer your questions, if I do you should aprechiate it. If you ask something stupid and I tell you to use the search you should just be happy I answered you at all. If I scare you away you werent determined enough in the first place.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: blueferret]
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blueferret said: This website is honestly like someone handing you a great big encyclopedia. If your patient and can use the glossery (search in the case of this site). You can learn the answer to just about any question you want.
Try to think about it like being in a college library everyone is here to study and learn. If your constantly hastling the uper class men we are only gona get snapy at you because we have our own stuff to do. Also if everyone keeps asking questions with way easy answers it gets anoying. Imagin siting somewere reading a book next to a sign telling people were something is. Say the bathroom or something, how iritating is it gona be when you get interupted in your reading ever 5 min by someone asking were the bathroom is?
VERY well put!
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Eraserhead]
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First, let me say that I (kinda) understand your frustration.
When I first began with something called "linux" (an alternative to Windows), I was completely confused pretty much all the time. I'd ask a question and I'd be flamed with "read the *&%$ing 'man' page."
(short for "manual," 'man' pages are pretty much instructions for every command and often has examples of how the command is used.) But being new, I didn't know which questions were the RIGHT questions. And if you don't know what the right questions are, you certainly don't know where to look for the answer, period.
So, again, I understand. To an extent.
First. Come to grips with the fact that every person here is a volunteer. If you want to pay someone to be your beck-and-call mycologist, make an offer. Then you can expect on-demand help.
Second. Put yourself in our position. How many times can you tolerate reading "can I sterilize my jars by boiling them?" before you want to rip someone's head off. Seriously.
Third. Read, read, read. I'm a hypocrite for saying this because I read, read and then asked when I should have read s'more. But I got flamed sometimes and I deserved it. See item #2.
Fourth. Some people here are unnecessarily impatient. Life is hard. Wear a helmet.
Fifth. All new people are intimidated. Mycology is no less an art than, say, cultivating orchids. You will learn slowly and only after much "do-ing." HC, for example, nails mycobukkake-grade grows in her sleep. She's probably forgotten more about growing shrooms than I'll ever know. And she's done it by reading and trying.
Good luck.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: splifner180]
#5701490 - 06/01/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lmao splif a linux to shroom comparison-
DEBIAN FTW !!
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: toole]
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spicy tuna is the shit, he right, it not like it fuckin every ones day up to see a ? that they have already seen. c- mon this is a sight that is dedicated to peace and expierence. for the most part I m new and I have asked questionsthat have been asked. so what, get over yourselfs
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: dudefromaz]
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dudefromaz said: mmmkaaay, a noob on a rampage...
shit who are you to talk??????
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: dudefromaz]
#5701918 - 06/01/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dudefromaz said: exactly the point, he said we have 2 of those,(the intermediate and advance)
and innoculatedgrief thanks dude
as a newbie i was show this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5384341#Post5384341
don't talk shit when you're a newb. good advice. to both of you.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: HippieChick]
#5701957 - 06/01/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sure you didnt say that
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: AKtoker]
#5701968 - 06/01/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AKtoker said: Also, for the most part, I don't think people are excessivly rude when telling noobs to use the search engine.
overall, it's not, often times it's simply someone misinterpreting a reasonable answer for rudeness, of course with some questions and some users it's easy to lose patience and show a little attitude, how many post do we see that are written by people that have failed to the basics of communication, people the decide |-|0\/\/ d0 1 9r0\/\/ 80 p0U|\|D$ 0Ph $|-|r00/\/\Z 1|\| 3 d4'/$ is gramaticly correct or a little more accurate, y r u soooo meen 2 da newbz we iz jes... for them I'd like to simply post one of these.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
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oh, by the way. my drunk ass is intelligent enough to realize that there is ALREADY a "beginner" forum... its called "Mushroom Cultivation" oh, and the "advanced" forum is called... oh jesus.. surprise... "advanced mycology"....
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: notnamed000]
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notnamed000 said: c- mon this is a sight that is dedicated to peace and expierence. for the most part I m new and I have asked questionsthat have been asked. so what, get over yourselfs
Its not that, its just that so much of it is so repetitive. I like helping people and I love power plants but I get bored and sometimes annoyed with repetitive questions. I must have answered "how many grams can I get off of a cake?" at least 15 times. Or how about "Do I really need a pressure cooker for grain?" - Then you answer with "Yes." because your tired of answering basic questions over and over and over that don't interest you at all, questions that don't fire synapses when you think about them... Then they ask you, "Why not?" and you want to beat your head against the computer screen like foomanshrooms avitar (I think thats the one). They print mycology books for a reason you know But really, I think its great, everyone should grow mushrooms. I want to help people be successful. Just try and have a little bit of respect and humility when you lack knowledge and experience. Everyone asks a stupid question once in a while, but try not to make a habit of it, and try not to encourage its overabundance. Real time chat is good for asking stupid questions, message board postings are better for more complex and intelligent thought.
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5702022 - 06/01/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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hey prisoner... these newbs won't read far enough to realize you changed my original post... pfhhhh mods...
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Birthbytongue]
#5702043 - 06/01/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no but us mods do read it and some of us hand out bans and warning for them.... I think my edit sufficed in getting the point across that it wasnt really apropriate and a little inflamitory, but then again, it could also simply be that there was a small communication breakdown and I misinterpreted what you were saying as being inflamitory... you were given the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
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agh. no mean to insult. i just happen to be of the opinion that people of minor status shouldn't even attempt to cultivate mushrooms. even the legal kind as it could do irreparable damage to any sort of legalization attempt. i'm guessing it was a breakdown in communication. if not i'd like to understand.?
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5702080 - 06/01/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok,thanx for the info, Ill try to keep thatin mind. I understand question like how many grams do I get out of a cake but frankly I haven't seen to many of those. anyways you seem very reasonable so don't sweat the small stuff. someone of Ur intelligence would have the self composure to disregard such things. I'm not insulting you or being cynical in any way I just don't see why people get there panties in in a knot. You are not necessarily one of them just speaking in generalities
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5702096 - 06/01/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: "how many grams can I get off of a cake?"
as many as it will produce 
"Do I really need a pressure cooker for grain?"
no, green is a pretty color, it's less attractive in the jars than it is in the trash though 
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Everyone asks a stupid question once in a while, but try not to make a habit of it, and try not to encourage its overabundance.
I see the only stupid questions as the ones that people are afraid to ask, once asked, it's not so stupid, stupid answers are pretty abundant too but peopel arent bitching about them. there are repetative questions and as everyone has said, UTFSE...
well for some the search engine is a little confusing, the results it returns can be more so, it can be overwhelming to see 22987 results show up. something people dont do is give little hints about search engine use, things like threads made in the last month or week, main posts only and date parsing. the results page comes up with a jumbled mess that frustrates the no0bs that are using it because they see several pages with the same title and a few different ones mixed in.
theres lots of ways to help, these are just a few.
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Birthbytongue]
#5702137 - 06/01/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Birthbytongue said: agh. no mean to insult. i just happen to be of the opinion that people of minor status shouldn't even attempt to cultivate mushrooms. even the legal kind as it could do irreparable damage to any sort of legalization attempt.
I agree as most of us here will, that minors shouldnt try cultivating and usualy as soon as one is found out (proof positive) we ban them, it puts the shroomery at risk but I think we all can also agree that generaly those minors are also putting their parents at risk if the minors get busted, I feel adults that grow in a roommate situation or are living at home still shouldnt be growing for the same reason, legal ramifications under the RICO Act, I dont see legalization happening in my lifetime so it's not a real issue to me but risking anothers freedom and property without their knowledge is a very big issue, I feel those people should be banned as well, unfortunately, being ignorant or careless isnt reason for a ban under our TOS and rules...
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5702141 - 06/01/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh my god I love the green remark about the PC that is priceless. I also like the only stupid question is the one not asked, I tell my kids that one all the time. Very good points prisoner#1 very good
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#5702158 - 06/01/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Birthbytongue said: agh. no mean to insult. i just happen to be of the opinion that people of minor status shouldn't even attempt to cultivate mushrooms. even the legal kind as it could do irreparable damage to any sort of legalization attempt.
I agree as most of us here will, that minors shouldnt try cultivating and usualy as soon as one is found out (proof positive) we ban them, it puts the shroomery at risk but I think we all can also agree that generaly those minors are also putting their parents at risk if the minors get busted, I feel adults that grow in a roommate situation or are living at home still shouldnt be growing for the same reason, legal ramifications under the RICO Act, I dont see legalization happening in my lifetime so it's not a real issue to me but risking anothers freedom and property without their knowledge is a very big issue, I feel those people should be banned as well, unfortunately, being ignorant or careless isnt reason for a ban under our TOS and rules...
still unsure as to why i could have been banned. the only reason i ask is mutual satisfaction of interests.? peace. ps- i could easily be forgetting my original post.....sorry.
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: kilroy]
#5702190 - 06/01/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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kilroy said: I also like the only stupid question is the one not asked, I tell my kids that one all the time.
thanks, mom taught me to be sensible about things, think about what I'm trying to convey and how it will be percieved and never be afraid of looking foolish, because that brief moment of my embarrassment may help others out as well.
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: notnamed000]
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notnamed000 said: ok,thanx for the info, Ill try to keep thatin mind. I understand question like how many grams do I get out of a cake but frankly I haven't seen to many of those. anyways you seem very reasonable so don't sweat the small stuff. someone of Ur intelligence would have the self composure to disregard such things. I'm not insulting you or being cynical in any way I just don't see why people get there panties in in a knot. You are not necessarily one of them just speaking in generalities
I think that we are basically in agreement. I don't see many people getting butt-hurt about it, but I do see a few. And sometimes, when you are relatively new, you see it a couple times from long time users and think that that may be the majority or at least a larger number then it is (halo). My problem with repetitive questions it that, well, I come here to learn too. Lots of newcomers have sneaky methods to trick you into reading their thread about where to get brown rice flour. "hmmm what could that thread be with the question marks as a title?" Or "It says 'please help emergency!!!' maybe I should check it out" then I open it and spend valuable time reading meaningless (to me) babble. It doesn't really bother me as much as my ranting probably sounds. I just like to have progression with things and the forum doesn't progress very far if every other question is about PF-tek and where to get horse poo. There really needs to be a higher level cultivation forum, because the Advanced Mycology forum is for scientists. I'm no scientist, not too fond of science, much more-so of art. But I believe Agar was pushing for that idea, and it was shot down, so...
*beats the drum as life moves on*
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
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kilroy said: I also like the only stupid question is the one not asked, I tell my kids that one all the time.
thanks, mom taught me to be sensible about things, think about what I'm trying to convey and how it will be percieved and never be afraid of looking foolish, because that brief moment of my embarrassment may help others out as well.
I think its kind of like
'beauty is on the inside'
"Thats just something ugly people say"
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Birthbytongue]
#5702207 - 06/02/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Birthbytongue said: still unsure as to why i could have been banned. the only reason i ask is mutual satisfaction of interests.?
because of how another member or mod could have viewed your statement, though I didnt find it offensive or inflamitory, I did see ways that others may have I felt it was better to avoid getting the PM from someone thinking you were making an attack, the fewer times I see the blinky PM notice, the happier I am.
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5702229 - 06/02/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think its kind of like voting. the people who turn out for the polls determine the results.
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5702233 - 06/02/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: I think its kind of like 'beauty is on the inside' "Thats just something ugly people say"
I've seen the insides, it's not very pretty
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5702239 - 06/02/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Darn , did I miss something ?
It was a response to me that got edited . I always miss the good stuff,lol.
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: HippieChick]
#5702252 - 06/02/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the reply wasnt actualy to you, it was a general response, you just happened to be the one that recieved the reply
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5702319 - 06/02/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Darn , I was looking for a fight I'm feeling frisky , lol .
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: HippieChick]
#5702336 - 06/02/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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rawr!
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Optx
PronouncedAwp-Tiks


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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5702346 - 06/02/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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christ. this fucking monster is still going?
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Birthbytongue
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Optx]
#5702458 - 06/02/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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nah, HC i just agreed with you that minors shouldn't cultivate. no fight needed. Although, i'll wrastle with you any day. especially when you're feeling frisky.... i think everyone here agrees with those opinons. Prisoner- my friend, i look foward to the flashies because its advice for me, although i see your side that you probably get more complaints than anything. thanks for the advice. peace.
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Edited by Birthbytongue (06/02/06 12:52 AM)
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Prisoner#1
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Birthbytongue]
#5702486 - 06/02/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not really chatty with the PMs and such, in fact I may send one or two a week unless I'm helping someone here in the cult forums... this may give you an idea though ... they autodelete every 45 days and I delete any that have personal info
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EquilibriuM
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: HippieChick]
#5702490 - 06/02/06 01:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was talking to a hot chick in class today who works at hooters, maybe she grows mushrooms too... ?
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EquilibriuM
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5702502 - 06/02/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Prisoner#1 said: I'm not really chatty with the PMs and such, in fact I may send one or two a week unless I'm helping someone here in the cult forums... this may give you an idea though ... they autodelete every 45 days and I delete any that have personal info
WOW what a bunch of fucking crybabies. I have never complained to and mod by pm on ANY forum I've been a member. It must SUCK being a mod.
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HippieChick
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5702503 - 06/02/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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She might rabbit , she might , lol.
Thanks
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick
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Edited by Prisoner#1 (06/02/06 01:50 AM)
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Prisoner#1
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: HippieChick]
#5702515 - 06/02/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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better asked in the psychedelic experience, more likely yo get an accurate answer
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/Forum1
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Snaggletooth
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5702525 - 06/02/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is a little different but maybe it could guide ya,
Wronguy's Tea Recipe
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Prisoner#1
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5702527 - 06/02/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
EquilibriuM said: It must SUCK being a mod.
yeah, it's like a form of punishment
and it's not fair to say everyone is a crybaby, most are seriously concerned, minors, drug dealers and flames as well as the other shit that takes away from the forum, theres a few that shouldnt have been sent and a few people mistakenly hit the button
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EquilibriuM
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5702703 - 06/02/06 02:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't mean that they were all crybabies, just that a bunch of them were. There couldn't be that many legitimate concerns, well, there could, it would just be HIGHLY improbable.
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dudefromaz
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5702707 - 06/02/06 02:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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don't forget though...
Always prevent forest fires
by
saving horses, ride a cowboy instead...
peace
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Prisoner#1
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5702724 - 06/02/06 02:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: I didn't mean that they were all crybabies, just that a bunch of them were. There couldn't be that many legitimate concerns, well, there could, it would just be HIGHLY improbable.
you might be suprised, spammers and scammers make up the majority of the notifications and we certainly get an assload of them
interested in refinancing your mortgage? add 3 inches to your penis!
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splifner180
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Re: that have been asked newbie [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5704481 - 06/02/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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toole writes: "Lmao splif a linux to shroom comparison- DEBIAN FTW !!"
Funny thing, I do run debian.
And there is nothing worse than asking linux geeks for help. So I understand.
"FUCK UBBCODE !!"
Another good point. I HATE UBB. Despise. With a passion. Was it really necessary to replace < and > with [ and ]? Gr.
splif
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cassiodorus
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: splifner180]
#5704678 - 06/02/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i don't point fingers, but standing a top the mountain and shouting accusations is just as flagellant of a medium as your accused sour folk have been said to commit.
the best solution to any problem can be found within yourself, around yourself, by yourself.
there exists little point in attempting to exact an external change on anyone. why rely on the shift of another? when you yourself are more than capable of exciting whatever it may be you need..
just one oppinion, and as always - to each, his own.
cheers,
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BrandNewbie
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#8430183 - 05/21/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Can somebody hold MY hand? Where's all the love? WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!? lol Yes, I agree, sometimes I am chastized and I just started today! Oh well, I really don't give a shit. I don't have to trip with any of the GODLIKE cultivators on the site, I just weedle enough information from them to get my shit taken care of. Then they can go blow... Not everyone is an ass though, and I do apreciate those who put up with us intollerable noobs. ;]
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8430319 - 05/21/08 08:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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check your ratings
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HoleSnype
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Atheist]
#8430373 - 05/21/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, this guy dragging up old thread after old thread is getting old. I would be willing to bet he is a clone or a puppet since he just signed up today.
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BrandNewbie
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: Atheist]
#8430407 - 05/21/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't understand the whole rating thing. I just joined up today. Haven't even built my set up yet... Just gathering the knowledge first. I want to be successful the first time out.
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8430417 - 05/21/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Clone if you must know, and I'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.
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BrandNewbie
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8430426 - 05/21/08 08:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Free to talk about whatever we want, (server rules of course), GOD I love the U.S.of A!
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#8430718 - 05/21/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Trentillica:
All the information is here already dude, you're expected to go find it on your own OR ask a question on the board if a novel situation comes up. If you want to pursue this hobby you have to do a little research.
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kezrock101
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Re: disappointed newbie [Re: trentallica]
#9829739 - 02/19/09 09:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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trentallica said: i have started to become somewhat disappointed in this site. the techs are great, and if you can find an answer in the archives then that is cool also. this is the number one spot for information that is already said, but if you need to ask for help, and ask for it in a post then its a crap shoot. sometimes i get awesome advice but most times i just get blown off. there is a lot of putting down of newbies for not being able to find there answer on there own before asking the cultivation from first. no not everyone goes to FAQ first, so what. i read one post that complained that there was not a form for newbies to ask stupid questions. as far as i can see this is the form for newbies asking stupid questions. if simple questions offend you then don't read them. there is an Advanced Mycology just for all you people that already know what your doing. if we did not have stupid questions thats where we would be. when i first came to this site less then a month ago i was under the impression that this was a place to learn something new. a place where you can make mistakes and others will not chastise you for them, and i still believe that that may be how it started ,but there a few that have become arrogant to the incompetence's of newbies. taking on a new learning project such as mushrooms, where all kinds of things can go wrong , can be daunting and intimidating. with increased frustration levels even an intelligent persons cooping and resource skills can regress. I'm sure that the majority of mushroom growers are above average intelligences. first of all it take a confidences in yourself , and your ability to learn new skills to even think about growing mushrooms. so lay off we just want to ask a question ok. Ive known plenty of people in my time that wont even think about trying to grow mushrooms because they already have convinced themselves they cant. even amongst my close friends not one person has said " how do you do that?" they just say " let me know how it turns out.". we are not stupid, unresourcefull, unintelligent, incompetent or inept we just need some feed back to build up our confidants,and a few successes. we want to know that we are not the only ones having problems that can be fixed. if we have no problem what so ever, but think we might and post to it just let us know that everything is cool and maybe a link to research it. the negative responses some people get in there post can keep other people from asking there important question, because they might be afraid of being told they should already know before they even ask.
in short I'm a newbie, and can relate to the stupid questions. this is the form for that, is it not?? in my opinion this form needs to work on being a little more supportive to newbies. if you don't want this to be a newbie from then create one for us. thats my two cents worth
I think all (q)'s should be answered regardless of their status newb or knot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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