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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: loopin20]
    #5705052 - 06/02/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It doesn't matter whether you were trespassing.  If someone uses excessive force (and it doesn't have to be illegal), then it is actionable.





first off, its his word against theirs. the guy could say he felt threatened and didnt want to endager himself by taking a chance. someone tresspasses they get shot, big woop.

and was it excessive? excessive is one of those words which are undefined. where do you draw the line of what is excessive and what isnt. since it was just a salt gun and aimed below the wait so as to avoid any important internal organs, it probably would not be considered excessive.
but then again, this is america.... girlfriend gos to McDonalds, buys a coffee, then throws the coffee on her boyfriend cause they were arguing, and who gets sued in the end?? McDonalds...  :suicide:


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: eligal]
    #5706945 - 06/03/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The bottom line is property owners have many responsibilities and cant just go around shooting people. If that farmer does that frequently enough someone will eventually shoot back with live rounds and he will learn his lesson. Or he will get sued and lose. If the farmer did shoot an unarmed person with real ammo because he felt "threatened" he might get away with it once ( in florida or texas)but if he ever did it again the police would nail him. You really cant apply those laws more than once except in extreme cases because the police will understand that you are a psycho.


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5707581 - 06/03/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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AFAIK, rock salt ammunition is not considered to be deadly force. It's designed to be a nonlethal deterrent.

I bet it must have hurt like a fucking bitch, too.


In a nutshell, you need to see a doctor. If it does get infected, then you've got problems.




fuck that.. you shot someone with a bb gun or a paintball gun in NY and its the same as shooting them with a 9mm...


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: shamanamba]
    #5707633 - 06/03/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: dreamland]
    #5707860 - 06/03/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The bottom line is property owners have many responsibilities and cant just go around shooting people. 




not even intruders? tresspassers? illegal entery? if you have a family, would a stranger on your property not make you worry for the security of your family?
a mans main responsibility is his family.


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If that farmer does that frequently enough someone will eventually shoot back with live rounds and he will learn his lesson.




how often do you people go takin walks in other peoples yards?  :confused:


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If the farmer did shoot an unarmed person with real ammo because he felt "threatened" he might get away with it once ( in florida or texas)but if he ever did it again the police would nail him.





but thats the whole point of what we are talkin about. it wasnt a real gun. it was a salt gun. there are too many "ifs" that we could apply which would send the farmer to jail. but its not about the "ifs", its about what really happened...


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You really cant apply those laws more than once except in extreme cases because the police will understand that you are a psycho.




the police dont decide whether you are guilty, the judge does.
and what, you can only defend your family once?
uhp! you used youre one time to protect your family, now open the door and step aside and let this stranger inside and may he do as he wishes.  :smile:


if someone threatens me or my family, ill do what ever i have to do to protect me and my family and ill do it as many times as i have to.


no flame intended but stop being a mommas boy a realise that you can not trespass and expect to be treated with silky pillows.


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: eligal]
    #5711188 - 06/04/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Finally got a chance to come back here. hey guys, in answer to a few questions... I was out there in the field doing exactly what anyone else on here would have been doing. yes it hurt. no its not infected. i never went to see a doctor. i wasnt armed. he gave no warning, which is the really shitty part. i was in the middle of bending over to pick up a shroomie and then it happened. my bottox cheeck suddenly became engulfed with pain and that portion of my pants just dissapeared. even though there was no yelling or warning or anything, i knew exactly what was happening and got the hell out of there. the salt still hasnt absorbed, but its getting closer to the surface so i've been able to pick some out. i've been keeping the wounds clean with alcohol. so now i'm going to be using bullet proof underware and a different field... lesson learned, battle scar taken. hahaha


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: shamanamba]
    #5711968 - 06/04/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i have a feeling that your rock salt story is a bunch of horse shit.

rock salt is light and has poor ballistic properties... it does not hold a good pattern and rapidly loses velocity over distance. even lead bird shot at a distance is pretty weak against humans. rock salt, with its low density and boxy, irregular shape, would have difficulty making it to the target, let alone punching through clothing and then through flesh.

also, there is no legal distinction seperating "lethal" and "non-lethal" when you're talking about stuff coming out the end of a shotgun. if you are going to fire a shotgun at someone, it doesn't matter if it has confetti in it, you had better be justified by law in using lethal force, lest you end up in prison.

most gun owners know these facts, and for this reason, the whole rock salt thing is mostly anecdotal... pretty much no one actually does it, at least not anymore.

this guy:

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040904/NEWS01/409040330/1001/NEWS

was shot with rock salt indoors at close range, and it only left a welt. from how far away do you claim to have been shot by this farmer in his field?


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5711976 - 06/04/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

And than the farmer has to give you 3 verbal warnings before he can use force, deadly or otherwise to stop you.

where did you read that "3 verbal warnings" bit?


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5712004 - 06/04/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

AFAIK, rock salt ammunition is not considered to be deadly force. It's designed to be a nonlethal deterrent.

no, it's designed for curing food. show me a commercially available shotshell loaded with rock salt. you won't be able to find one, because it's a legal mess to shoot someone with rock salt. you'd probably go down on charges ranging from aggravated assault to attempted murder.


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: wilshire]
    #5712118 - 06/04/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hence the "AFAIK" part, I'm definitely not an expert in that area :shrug:


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: leery11]
    #5712487 - 06/04/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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leery11 said:
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Desiree said:
He did admit to entering the property without admission. It's not the farmers fault. He's lucky he didn't use anything else.

Go see a doctor.



Anyone that would shoot someone for walking around in their yard has severe problems.

I would understand if it was in his house, and then I would understand lethal force too....

but man you were unarmed weren't you? And he had a shotgun..... where is shooting necessary? Yell "what the hell are you doing" point the shotgun at him and tell him to leave.

That's just not right.

You generally cannot use excessive and dangerous force like that without proper warning....... especially considering the person was unarmed and not even aware that he was about to be shot.




He shot him with SALT...not bullets. Depending on what I was protecting in my yard...I may be tempted to buy a shotgun to. Salt only.


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #5712780 - 06/04/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i assure everyone this wasnt a joke, although i'm still laughing at myself and kicking myself in the ass about it (the healthy cheek). I was about 4 yards from the back porch of the house. yes, stupid, i know. I'm doing fine though. it's not that bad anymore. the bruising around the little holes has gone away and there's still no sign of infection. if anyone is REALLY that sceptical and still thinks i would have posted something this stupid just as a joke, then i have pics readily available, assuming its ok to post a picture of my butt. lol.


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: shamanamba]
    #5712941 - 06/04/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Its allowed.

Post pics.

SRSLY


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: wilshire]
    #5713045 - 06/04/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"I was about 4 yards from the back porch of the house."

awww, o.k. that was your bad.


and to wilshire. I'm no expert, and i don't have firsthand experience, but having lived in the country, it is common knoledge that rednecks like to shoot people with saltrock out of they'r shotguns. Don't ask me why.


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: shamanamba]
    #5713666 - 06/05/06 01:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

LOL, I'd like to see those pics.

Also, I'm glad you're okay.


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Re: I got shot with saltrock...How do i get it out??? [Re: shamanamba]
    #5713761 - 06/05/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

pics!!
:grin:


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