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question for buddhists
    #5696866 - 05/31/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

in buddhism, what happens if a being continues to create lots and lots of negative karma in every lifetime and never reaches enlightenment? does it continue to reincarnate forever or does it eventually get recycled?


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: porcupine]
    #5696873 - 05/31/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Plastic or paper?


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: Icelander]
    #5696875 - 05/31/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The Buddhists believe eventually all beings will reach enlightenment.


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: Icelander]
    #5696878 - 05/31/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Are you worried. :rofl2:


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: Icelander]
    #5696975 - 05/31/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
The Buddhists believe eventually all beings will reach enlightenment.




Except for Joshu's Dog.


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: Mezcal]
    #5697061 - 05/31/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Don't be silly!


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: dblaney]
    #5697217 - 05/31/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well the thing is once you fall below human you cannot intentionally cultivate bad karma, of course you do because you are drawn by your whims without a mind to keep you from acting on them.....

but being lower than a human is like automatically burning up really bad karma....

it's really only the humans or maybe above humans that could do such a thing dliberately.... and they would not retain the persistent consciousness between lifetimes necessary to choose to deliberately commit bad karma.

so i dunno. we all become Buddhas/Enlightened eventually. We just have to water the right seeds and pull out the weeds.


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: porcupine]
    #5697231 - 05/31/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The Bodhisattva eventually run out of patience and cast the being out of existence using a fourteen dollar Official Nerdle Wombanger Non-Existence Sticker.


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5697361 - 05/31/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

so buddhists truly believe that all beings attain enlightenment? can anyone here who has studied a lot of buddhism verify this? what about in hinduism?


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: porcupine]
    #5697371 - 05/31/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ask Ped or Sinbad.


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: Icelander]
    #5697563 - 05/31/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wasn't buddha just a man, like anyone else, that created a philsophy, is his definition of this so called karma so important that we also have to worry about shit thats beyond us. I thought buddha's only concerned themselves with things they only actually knew.


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: capliberty]
    #5698783 - 06/01/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think Buddha concerned himself with these kinds of questions. He left that for the religion they created around his teachings.

Here an interesting insight into this. I got involved with and finally taught a specialized form of Martial Art that was very direct and never showy, but deadly effective. It had few principles and physical moves compared to other Martial Arts. We had trouble keeping students because of this. Most wanted fantasy and moves they could show their friends; they wanted belts so they could talk about their rank, and some forms they could show to their friends. Finally the head instructor had to add some of these things, just to keep enough students to pay the bills. Think about this. :wink:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Edited by Icelander (06/01/06 08:51 AM)


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: Icelander]
    #5698814 - 06/01/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So what was the insight into this martial art?


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: capliberty]
    #5698818 - 06/01/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

capliberty said:
So what was the insight into this martial art?




WTF are you talking about? The insight is into religions and how they form. :rolleyes:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: question for buddhists [Re: Icelander]
    #5698835 - 06/01/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You comparing it to there motives of stature, Yeah I did a year of

TKD, Our teacher was fourth degree black belt, flawless in form, we

didn't care about belts and rank, our class was pretty small, and

our skill usually surpassed our belt rank, I was a green belt, but

fought more like a blue belt, we would go into tournaments and whoop

everyones ass, having a small class was a benefit because everyone

got the personal attention they needed to succeed.


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: capliberty]
    #5698840 - 06/01/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with my post or this thread.  :rolleyes:


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: Icelander]
    #5698859 - 06/01/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I undersand the anology, with the martial arts class and religion

the motives of vanity are the same, so thats why each of them grew

to something blown out of proportion, instead of the core principles

being focused on, it grew into something to satisfy each persons

ego, and status, this is basically society today, which I fucking

hate


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: capliberty]
    #5698961 - 06/01/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

More or less what I was getting at.


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: capliberty]
    #5698998 - 06/01/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

optimism in buddhism:
intelligence slowly improves karma
given time more shit happens but things
slowly get better.

pessimsm in buddhism:
meditate or you will be hit with a big stick


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Re: question for buddhists [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5699050 - 06/01/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
pessimsm in buddhism:
meditate or you will be hit with a big stick




:lol:


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