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HeadTripVertigo
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mescaline + MAOI
#5695961 - 05/31/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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so I've got some cactus powder on the way, 250g total I believe. I've heard that 65g is an average dose of it, or somthing around there. I didn't have access to a pure MAOI, but I found this "revitalizing sleep formula" which has (per capsule) 200mg Valerian Root Extract, 90mg Passion Flower Leaf & Flower Extract, 50mg L-Theanine, 30mg Hops Flower Extract 6.6:1...there's a few other leaf/root extracts all in about 18mg or less each, as well. seems that passion flower is the only MAOI in there though.
so how much of each should I be taking? like how many mg/passion flower per gram of cactus powder? thanks.
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HeadTripVertigo
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can someone help me here? I've got like...two days.
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hey man, i was just talking to a guy on another site thats dedicated to ethnogens. for your maoi, it could be fatal if you take medication with it. this would include all supplements. here check out this site. and read through it all.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info2.shtml
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HeadTripVertigo
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I'm not taking anything with it, just the mescaline. no meds, none of the food listed. I just need at least an educated guess about how of each I should be taking.
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you should have gotten some caapi or syrian rue for a more effect maoi. passionflower is an maoi, but not a very strong one.
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Re: mescaline + MAOI [Re: CptnGarden]
#5699181 - 06/01/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yah, I have some syrian rue seeds on the way. ive never done mescaline, cant you wait and purchase some syrian rue, or cappi? if the mescaline is in powder form.
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Re: mescaline + MAOI [Re: CptnGarden]
#5699307 - 06/01/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
ShroomieOfDoomie said: you should have gotten some caapi or syrian rue for a more effect maoi. passionflower is an maoi, but not a very strong one.
I know, but that's all I can get at the moment. I just don't know how much to take. the bottle says take one pill and up to four if necessary. so should I be taking four?
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if its a sleep formula, isnt it going to nock you out?
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thedudenj
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mescaline keeps you up so a sleep formula wont really make you tired i think it would just boost the effects i say take 4 then the night before then the day of. yes passion flower is weak as an maoi but i have had great effects with it combined with mescaline i think it has more potenial as an Maoi B then an Maoi A
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Re: mescaline + MAOI [Re: thedudenj]
#5700007 - 06/01/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don´t know, but on my MAOI warning chart it says that mescaline is VERY dangerous in combination, they rate it the same as ephedrine and pseudoephedrine or SSRIs, while shrooms for example are safe to take.
I would not try it, you could end up really bad!
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Re: mescaline + MAOI [Re: thedudenj]
#5700013 - 06/01/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you mean extracted mesc or cactus tea? The matter is some trichos contain quite a lot of tyramine which ain't good for you. Normally, all tyramine is almost instantly broken by monoaminoxidase, but in case it's shut off this may lead to a problem. Like a severe hypertension crisis - that's why the dietary precautions when using MAOIs. The data on MAOI interaction with tyramine-rich products is rather contradictory, still it's better safe than sorry. I am myself very interested in exploring such a combo but it needs a careful study of tyramine content of a specific cactus. I hear S.Pedro has little tyramine while in a peruvian torch it may reach up to 50% alkaloid content. That's not a 100% bullet-proof data, I'm gonna investigate it deeper and will report hopefully by this Saturday. Actually, I'm planning to check it myself this weekend if I finally decide it's safe enough. If anyone has good info, please, update.
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Re: mescaline + MAOI [Re: shneck]
#5700039 - 06/01/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If it sonly tyramine in the cactus then you could take P. Harmala with your mesc. These only block the MAO A system and the tyramine can still be processed by the MAO B system wich is still unaffected. Wouldn´t lay my hand in the fire, though, but that what i read.
But other MAOIs would be quite harmful with the cactus if it contains tyramine.
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Re: mescaline + MAOI [Re: Pithlit]
#5700716 - 06/01/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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tribes use san perdro or peruvian torch in combo with caapi
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Re: mescaline + MAOI [Re: thedudenj]
#5700728 - 06/01/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've seen a lot of "tribes use" claims. Not that I don't believe that somewhere, someone in south america does, but: Anyone got any *names* of tribes? Or evidence, or anthropological study? Anything besides hearsay?
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"If it sonly tyramine in the cactus then you could take P. Harmala with your mesc. These only block the MAO A system and the tyramine can still be processed by the MAO B system wich is still unaffected."
Why then the strict diet on tyramine containing food prior/post taking P.Harmala, dude? And is there anything else apart from tyramine that one should be considered about when taking MAOI? Please, explain.
Edited by shneck (06/02/06 06:55 AM)
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Re: mescaline + MAOI [Re: shneck]
#5703534 - 06/02/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The diet restrictions are usually a bit exaggerated, just to be on the safe side. The amount of tyramine in the cactus will not be enough to do anything but maybe a little stomach discomfort. Didn't notice any especially uncomfortable effects though.
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So, Koala, you mean you tried the combo yourself? Could you describe the method, effects against the common use and what's your opinion? Thanks.
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Re: mescaline + MAOI [Re: shneck]
#5704735 - 06/02/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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My opinion is that it depends on your goal. Mesc is one of the most pure, euphoric, blissful experiences for me, even in low amounts. Syrian rue really destroys the "pure" part. It brings on a stronger trip, at a lower dose. Good for saving your cactus, and perhaps your stomach. (though I felt much more sick to my stomach with only 3 g of rue.
With very little rue, it might be what you're looking for. Maybe not. Having said that: I hate rue. It has an extremely strong effect on me, and resulted in one of the worst nights I've ever spent on a drug. (didn't even get a chance to down the pedro). It was pretty horrible. The kinds of visuals it gives are not typical psychedelic visuals. Shulgin explained them at higher dose experiments. It's more like seeing every light source stay in place while you move your head. Like how if you stare at bright light and close your eyes, but x100. the image of every streetlight and window in sight was frozen in sight at each frame I saw it. Like when Windows fucks up and copies your internet explorer all over the screen when you move it, leaving a trail.
All the while, everything was vibrating like the effects of the drug in that new batman movie. Really disorienting and sick to the stomach. Most of these annoying visuals occured only when I moved my head (the distance between facing forwards and down towards where I was puking).
So if you do it, start low. Maybe you'll be sensitive like I was to it.
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HeadTripVertigo
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so I got my powder today and I'd say I have enough for about 4 doses, 250g total... I sure as hell am not drinking that awful tea or sludge. how else can I ingest it? I thought about wrapping up a bunch of little bits of powder and parachuting them, but I'm not sure if I want to do that either. any suggestions?
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Times like these call for the search engine!
Woohoo!
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