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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Seuss]
    #5699808 - 06/01/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Had they been driving correctly, they would not have been shot, therefore, by transitive property, they were killed because of driving incorrectly.




Actually, if you wanted to get technical, wouldn't one say that this death is a result of us invading iraq in the first place? For if we had not invaded, they wouldn't have been shot at the non-existent checkpoint. If your looking for root causes you have to look their first. Trigger happy checkpoint guards is a direct result of the iraq invasion and the reasons for that invasion have changed so many times who really knows for sure why but those who ordered it.

And anyone who attempts to list reasons for this war spare me, we've all seen them and those of us with half a brain remember the "real" reason at the begining which turned out to be bullshit  :tongue:


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5700106 - 06/01/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Had they been driving correctly, they would not have been shot, therefore, by transitive property, they were killed because of driving incorrectly.




Actually, if you wanted to get technical, wouldn't one say that this death is a result of us invading iraq in the first place? For if we had not invaded, they wouldn't have been shot at the non-existent checkpoint. If your looking for root causes you have to look their first. Trigger happy checkpoint guards is a direct result of the iraq invasion and the reasons for that invasion have changed so many times who really knows for sure why but those who ordered it.

And anyone who attempts to list reasons for this war spare me, we've all seen them and those of us with half a brain remember the "real" reason at the begining which turned out to be bullshit  :tongue:





These "trigger happy guards" are men in a real difficult situation. They are told of the rules of engagement, when a speeding vehicle is approaching a check point, it most be stopped. Need I mention what has happened in the past with speeding car bombs and dead Marines?
This is a bad situation, imagine being the Marine who was ordered to pull the trigger?????


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5700470 - 06/01/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It is a bad situation indeed. It's just too bad that we left the piece of shit in office that started this mess when he himself was too pussy to even serve in viet nam.

I fault those who got us into this mess, the soldiers truly believe they are serving the "country" weather they are or not.


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5700622 - 06/01/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

it doesn't surprise me if a few pregnant women get killed.

i trace the whole war back to the fact that people don't honor their mothers.

in that breath, maybe if you loved your mother a little more, the war would've never started in the first place.

i know what you're thinking, "how can you connect the war to something like not loving womanhood"?

give it some thought.

maybe if people cared about pregnancy and parenting and honoring their mothers, war would be impossible

what's the root of greed?
what's the root of violence?
(dishonoring women & children)
and don't get me wrong, women are just as guilty as men in this.


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5701279 - 06/01/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

>> imagine being the Marine who was ordered to pull the trigger?????

"ordered" is a big reason why ppl become trigger happy in the first place...because they can pass the blame on to whomever gave the order..which ultimately passes to the commander-in-chief..and then diffuses into his electorate of 59 million...


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5701486 - 06/01/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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>> imagine being the Marine who was ordered to pull the trigger?????

"ordered" is a big reason why ppl become trigger happy in the first place...because they can pass the blame on to whomever gave the order..which ultimately passes to the commander-in-chief..and then diffuses into his electorate of 59 million...





You have no concept of being in a dangerous environment.....if you have experience, please divulge.....soldiers or Marines do not make policy (something that was forgotten during the Vietnam era) Do I think that this is a fucked up situation?

Of course. What you define as "trigger happy" is nothing more then a response (in most cases in an armed conflict) to a deadly situation, in which you might not know if you will make it home.

What would you do? Not Shoot!!!!??????????


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5701870 - 06/01/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

now let me get this straight ..first you said that somebody "ordered" the marine to pull the trigger..and then this person that gave the order just mysteriously disappears in your next post :wtf:...which one is it??...


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5702847 - 06/02/06 03:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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"ordered" is a big reason why ppl become trigger happy in the first place...




This isnt a case of "trigger happy" marines itching for somebody to shoot. It was asked earlier and I'll ask it again; What would you do if you were in that situation, not shoot?

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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: gregorio]
    #5703040 - 06/02/06 06:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

> What would you do if you were in that situation, not shoot?

Me, sitting on the couch, watching CNN, judging others... not shoot.

Me, a soldier in Iraq, crazy suicide bombers all around... shoot.


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5703223 - 06/02/06 08:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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now let me get this straight ..first you said that somebody "ordered" the marine to pull the trigger..and then this person that gave the order just mysteriously disappears in your next post :wtf:...which one is it??...





WTF? What do you mean? Marines fire when ordered, this can come from a NCO or a commisioned officer.


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5703295 - 06/02/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So you're telling me the marines can't think of a method of setting up a roadblock/checkpoint without shooting dead someone trying to get a pregnant women to hospital?

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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Alex213]
    #5703338 - 06/02/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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So you're telling me the marines can't think of a method of setting up a roadblock/checkpoint without shooting dead someone trying to get a pregnant women to hospital?




I cannot think of a way to setup a roadblock/checkpoint in an area where suicide bombers crash speeding cars filled with explosives into the checkpoint in such a way that non-suicide bombers that speed towards the checkpoint won't be shot at and potentially killed.


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Seuss]
    #5703339 - 06/02/06 09:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well maybe they shouldn't be setup in the first place then.

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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Alex213]
    #5703350 - 06/02/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Well maybe they shouldn't be setup in the first place then.





Or maybe the Iraqis should not be traveling at high speeds towards checkpoints. This is not the first time this has happened.....


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Seuss]
    #5703407 - 06/02/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

where suicide bombers crash speeding cars filled with explosives into the checkpoint

Is this really what suicide bombers do? Isn't the idea of a suicide bomber to kill as many americans as possible? The last suicide bomber I heard about was parked up at the checkpoint, smiling and beckoning soldiers over to his car before he blew it up.

I would've thought driving at the checkpoint at high speed would be the last thing a suicide bomber would do as it gives the americans a chance to get out of the way.

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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5703408 - 06/02/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Or maybe the Iraqis should not be traveling at high speeds towards checkpoints

So if you make a mistake in identifying an american checkpoint when you're trying to get your sister to hospital it's a capital offence?

No. I think the best thing is not to set up a checkpoint if you can't avoid clusterfucks like this.

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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Alex213]
    #5703465 - 06/02/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Or maybe the Iraqis should not be traveling at high speeds towards checkpoints

So if you make a mistake in identifying an american checkpoint when you're trying to get your sister to hospital it's a capital offence?

No. I think the best thing is not to set up a checkpoint if you can't avoid clusterfucks like this.




From a historical perspective:

http://www.beirut-memorial.org/history/embassy.html


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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5703485 - 06/02/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What relevance does your link have to this thread?

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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Alex213]
    #5703554 - 06/02/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In the past, a speeding car packed full of explosive ran into a Marine barracks, killing numerous people. I think he is trying to explain why they would shoot at a speeding car who is not heeding warnings to stop.

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Re: US troops kill pregnant woman [Re: Redstorm]
    #5703562 - 06/02/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

if you don't want to kill pregnant women
don't join the military

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