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vescudero0
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Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator??????
#5695333 - 05/31/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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whats up people... I have a question regarding my new casing....
im plan on placing my new caseing in the mini greenhouse immediatley once i put the new caseing layer on...... the temp will only be at room temp. around 74 or so.. app..... and from what i know, its best to put immediatly back in the incubator ( once casing layer is placed on there) and leave until spots of MYC por out (patching can be done once this happens)....
SOOOO..... my question is... should i have any problems besides some minor delay?? i plant o use a very thin caseing layer... just enough to avoid light hitting the MYC substrate...
DOES THIS SOUND RIGHT as far as the very thin casing layer ( so that is doesnt take long)???? i am all ears for suggestions!!!! if ya have any tips. that would be great
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: vescudero0]
#5695704 - 05/31/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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that will work fine
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hyphae
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: Optx]
#5696148 - 05/31/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Understand that once in the fruiting chamber growth will slow over the next few days. You did the right thing with a thinner casing layer as that should work in your favor. If your using a coir based casing then you could go even thicker also. The only reason for incubating is timing and friend timing is where the awesome pinsets lie. There are many ways to end there all of which take all things into consideration this is your mission if you decide to accept it, rewards are guaranteed to follow bro!
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vescudero0
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: hyphae]
#5696300 - 05/31/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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kewl.. this is all good to know... what does the coir based caseing consist on??? obviousley a % of coco coir... but im not sure what you add on there//
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: vescudero0]
#5700685 - 06/01/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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so you think useing 60-40 verm / coco coir will be better in this case...??? since i am not going to put in incubator.... maybe coco coir will work better and faster??? thats what i need!! any coments, ill be on the look out..
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: vescudero0]
#5700906 - 06/01/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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60/40 or better yet 70/30 will challenge your timing skills as far as thickness is concerned, GL bro.
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: hyphae]
#5701104 - 06/01/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks dude...
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: hyphae]
#5701140 - 06/01/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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According to Stamet's , your yield will suffer greatly if you don't place it back into the incubator to let the mycelium colonize the casing layer to a degree .
Recent studies have demonstrated the importance of benefecial bacteria in the casing layer . High levels of bacteria such as Pseudomonas putida result in increased primordia formation , earlier fruiting and higher yields . During this casing colonization period these beneficial bacteria are stimulated by metabolic gases that build up in the substrate and diffuse through the casing layer . In fact , dense casing layers and deep casing layers generally yield more mushrooms because they slow diffusion . It is desirable therefore to build up CO2 and other gases prior to primordia formation . so cover it and put it back into incubation temps . If you put it right in the FC with FAE , Fresh Air Exchange , the CO2 won't help in the production of Pseudomonas putida , resulting in fewer pins and fruit bodies .
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: HippieChick]
#5701182 - 06/01/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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HippieChick said: According to Stamet's , your yield will suffer greatly if you don't place it back into the incubator to let the mycelium colonize the casing layer to a degree .
Recent studies have demonstrated the importance of benefecial bacteria in the casing layer . High levels of bacteria such as Pseudomonas putida result in increased primordia formation , earlier fruiting and higher yields . During this casing colonization period these beneficial bacteria are stimulated by metabolic gases that build up in the substrate and diffuse through the casing layer . In fact , dense casing layers and deep casing layers generally yield more mushrooms because they slow diffusion . It is desirable therefore to build up CO2 and other gases prior to primordia formation . so cover it and put it back into incubation temps . If you put it right in the FC with FAE , Fresh Air Exchange , the CO2 won't help in the production of Pseudomonas putida , resulting in fewer pins and fruit bodies .
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick
Bunk! FYI not all situations are equal HC this is something that has been demonstrated time and time again, experience is our teacher!
As mycelium runs through the casing whatever casing there is becomes CO2 enriched (under the surface) once it reaches the surface CO2 concentrations drop considerably (trigger).
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: hyphae]
#5701223 - 06/01/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've put casings directly in my green house . Same spawn , same poo , and none fruited as well as the one's that spent 2 days in the incubator , so , my experience tends to go along with what I read in TMC .
I just read a post from you in that silly noob thread thing where you recommend TMC and say how valuable it is . Now you call it bunk . All that info came right from TMC , so which is it , and what is bunk about that statement ? Just curious 
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: HippieChick]
#5701257 - 06/01/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Were you using thin casing layers or coir or both? I've seen awesome flushes without any casing and pathetic flushes with. I personally have fruited under certain circumstances without incubating with prolific pinsets. Stamets is referring to specific circumstances most generally used by growers. Also some species require beneficial bacteria to even fruit. Experience is our teacher.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: HippieChick]
#5701278 - 06/01/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DAMN!!! i know thats the right thing to do... but i cant... due to lack of space... etc etc... They should grow alright though, right??? how bad can this affect them??? scale 1-10.... THEY WONT GROW AT ALL, BAD????? or THEY WONT GROW HEALTHY & STRONG BAD????? SHITTY BAD????
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: vescudero0]
#5701282 - 06/01/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ahh...
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: vescudero0]
#5701310 - 06/01/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have a uncase hpoo will i have a problem with light hitting it cause i got 2 big flors right over the top of my Martha
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: HippieChick]
#5701317 - 06/01/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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HippieChick said: I've put casings directly in my green house . Same spawn , same poo , and none fruited as well as the one's that spent 2 days in the incubator , so , my experience tends to go along with what I read in TMC .
I just read a post from you in that silly noob thread thing where you recommend TMC and say how valuable it is . Now you call it bunk . All that info came right from TMC , so which is it , and what is bunk about that statement ? Just curious 
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick
How can you even suggest me calling the bible bunk? Whats bunk is not understanding what is being said. Sorry I'll try to explain myself better next time I was posting elsewhere and going for the short direct route
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Re: Once fresh casing layer is on, is it absolutly necesary to put back in incubator?????? [Re: hyphae]
#5701573 - 06/01/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's what had me confused BF 
Thought I might have missed something somewhere , lol .
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