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chinacat72
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: Asante]
#5695315 - 05/31/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would rather pay 4000$ for 100 sheets (1 gram) then any of those prices.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: chinacat72]
#5695446 - 05/31/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would possibly in theory LSD still be available for $4.000/gr?
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: Asante]
#5696207 - 05/31/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The results of poll is why LSD is never gonna come bak full swing. No chemist/LSD enthusiasts are ever going to take the risks of conviction, investment and dedication to the synth process for a market who's consensus wouldnt pay more than $350 a sheet. We're talkin about prime LSD too and only 1 out of every 3 people would dish out more than $375 a sheet!?!? And they wonder why it's still so dry. Inflation set aside, $450 for a 100 hits of guaranteed potent LSD would be satisfactory prices for the late 90's---before pickard, 9/11 and this LSD drout thats plaugeing the 21'st century. If a community of psychonauts wouldnt pay more 4 dollars a hit, secondary dealers wont even bother oh the streets.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
#5696281 - 05/31/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"No chemist/LSD enthusiasts are ever going to take the risks of conviction, investment and dedication to the synth process for a market who's consensus wouldnt pay more than $350 a sheet."
They do, very regularly.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5697027 - 05/31/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Damn just a few years back a decent sheet was going between $100-$150 in california. Now people are expecting to pay up the ass! It's just not right, where has all the acid gone? We seriously need a revolution.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: StonerDave]
#5697515 - 05/31/06 11:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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someone should just make a lab in a big ass boat, sail into international waters, and make a shitload of acid, come back and sell it for 100/sheet and everyone would be happy. A couple ounces of pure LSD would make u a millionaire at 100/sheet. As far as i know, ergotamine is perfectly legal in international waters. U'd just need a bazooka and ak in case u run into pirates. blazed
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
#5697565 - 05/31/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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OrizonsHorizon said: The results of poll is why LSD is never gonna come bak full swing. No chemist/LSD enthusiasts are ever going to take the risks of conviction, investment and dedication to the synth process for a market who's consensus wouldnt pay more than $350 a sheet. We're talkin about prime LSD too and only 1 out of every 3 people would dish out more than $375 a sheet!?!? And they wonder why it's still so dry. Inflation set aside, $450 for a 100 hits of guaranteed potent LSD would be satisfactory prices for the late 90's---before pickard, 9/11 and this LSD drout thats plaugeing the 21'st century. If a community of psychonauts wouldnt pay more 4 dollars a hit, secondary dealers wont even bother oh the streets.
The is a difference between paying more than $4 a HIT than $400 a sheet. and furthermore, correct me if Im wrong, but I believe acid can be made at $.01 a hit...so the chemist could do that to the main man at $100 a sheet, make 100x the profit, the main do sheets for like $150-200, then that guy does is for $250-300. dealer does it 5-6$ per hit.
but all that aside, selling acid is NOT about money (see chinacats crystal to blotter thread or just ask somebody about what/who the family is). the good acid (ie fluff, 95% pure) is still present AND cheap. you just gotta poke around.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: tocuhe]
#5697786 - 06/01/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would REALISTICALLY (ie - ideally and fairly) pay $500 AUSTRALIAN dollars for a sheet of 100.
At the moment I am paying $3250-$3400AU for a sheet of 500 from Holland which works out to around $6.50-$6.80 a hit, which doesnt really seem much here seeing as they sell for around $20-$50 a hit on the street. 2000EUROS is the price, for me it just depends on the currency exchange rate... it tends to fluctuate a fair bit with higher amounts.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: indica]
#5697868 - 06/01/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am not sure what I would pay, But I had some very very strong acid and it lasted for about 12 to almost 13 hour's.. so just depends what you get.
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but ur right... its all about poking around. this entire state that i live in you would find it is 100% IMPOSSIBLE to get a sheet anywhere. so i had to look further abroad... 2 months later after long and hard searching.. voila... expensive to you americans, but to us... the price is nothing compared to whats in store for you
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: indica]
#5698244 - 06/01/06 03:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The is a difference between paying more than $4 a HIT than $400 a sheet. and furthermore, correct me if Im wrong, but I believe acid can be made at $.01 a hit...so the chemist could do that to the main man at $100 a sheet, make 100x the profit, the main do sheets for like $150-200, then that guy does is for $250-300. dealer does it 5-6$ per hit.
I still consider a sheet of acid to be a high end consumer level…much like an oz of weed. People do run by the strip/dose like people sell nickel bags but you gotta be pretty small time to stock a sheet just to sell by the tab.
Yes LSD is made for pennies but your not really factoring in the steps it takes to get to that point. Tally up all the equipment---- A biohazard suit with externally connected air supply in a hermetically sealed room --darkroom lab, & red & UV lights, a decent column chromatography, & TLC developer, column setup all the solvents, reagents, shit loada glassware, maybe some argon gas...a secluded piece of property. That is of course if you can get your hands on Ergotamine…which without picking up a red flag is very expensive outsourced. If I was going to be investing that much money I would want my head chemist to have a Masters in Organic chemistry but assuming you have a finely tuned recipe, you could probably get by with just a few years background. So, from scractch, your looking at pushing a $100,000 investment.
By the time acid trickles down to the consumer----your right, it goes through 4-5 medians. But the main thing we’re missing here is the initial distribution . LSD is a very niche market. The network of connections you would need to unload grams of LSD is so extensive and very restricted. Its not a mainstream drug like Mariguana---and not addictive so there is no steady flow of regular customers circulating for a fix. Even your devout psychonaut at the height of there psychedelic exploration aren’t going to be tripping on a weekly basis for more than a few years. Chinacats story is different because they were involved within a heavy populated culture where psychedlics was a part of life.
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but all that aside, selling acid is NOT about money (see chinacats crystal to blotter thread or just ask somebody about what/who the family is). the good acid (ie fluff, 95% pure) is still present AND cheap. you just gotta poke around.
I was going to address this in my previous post and it is true, LSD is not like other drugs where it's all about the money. But it is a motivating factor and does play an important role if your really serious about getting a succesful operation up and running. Your mistaken if you think there are assembly’s of dedicated and structured flower children out there who are willing to take the risk of speding the rest of there life in jail for the principles of supplying society with the psychedelic experiece. And if there is, they either cant find the right associations to distribute, or never succeed in a Synth. Im not saying there is anything wrong with paying $100 for a sheet….its just surprising that people set there ceiling at <$350 in the present day market.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
#5698495 - 06/01/06 04:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: Asante]
#5698661 - 06/01/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would pay 500 a sheet. That is reasonable to me.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: Trav]
#5698970 - 06/01/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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OrizonsHorizon obviously has a good take on things.
Frankly, LSD is priceless. It saves peoples lives(at least it did mine) on a large scale and offers one a true glimpse at the universe. To me thats worth a lot... however I put my limit at $500, though I'm sure I'd pay a bit more knowing the potency/purity.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
#5699039 - 06/01/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I still consider a sheet of acid to be a high end consumer level…
And people wonder why there's a drought 
But you're right: a sheet is a consumer amount in my book too. Suppose you have a sheet of reasonable LSD. Not good, certainly not great, but reasonable, with lets say 50 micrograms of LSD on it per blotter. When stored properly, it stays potent.
A normal user would like 1-3 of these blotters for a trip, let's assume an average of two, which equals the intensity of 1/8oz of Cubies (20mg psilocybin). Then its not too far off to assume that he'd take one such trip in about 2.5 months (ten weeks) which totals 5 such trips a year.
A sheet of decent blotter will last one explorer approximately ten years, a couple's needs are taken care of for 5 years and a small group of friends (3-5) can trip on it for two or three years. This makes a sheet a consumer amount for those consumers who plan ahead.
Back in the early nineties (before LSD became available to us) my small circle of friends had "sheet money", a small sum we saved up to immediately buy a sheet should it become available to one of us. Then someone else bought 1.000 and the rest.. wow, those dayglo nineties
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: Asante]
#5699078 - 06/01/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd probably pay up to $1000, I've found LSD only once and it wasn't that strong. I needed 3 blotters to get reasonable effects, nothing mind blowing. Maybe it was old stuff. I live in Holland so there should be some around here but I don't have any hookups. Never needed to find a dealer with MJ and shrooms being available in a coffeeshop or smart shop. $10-15 for a good trip doesn't sound that much to me. I pay far more than that if I go out drinking for a night. Two good pot smoking sessions would also cost that much.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: cybrbeast]
#5699096 - 06/01/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I live in Holland
Back in the day (and thats some 3333 days hence ) you could buy a hundred microdots for $150 here in holland, and I'm talking kosher 125-mikers 
Basically we Dutch ship the LSD made in eastern europe across the world through Rotterdam harbour. The fact that we as one of the smallest countries in the world have the biggest harbour/container terminals of the world in the busiest sea of the world assures that we're a drug transport & export nation, mostly between europe and the usa.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: Asante]
#5699105 - 06/01/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So there DEA, Holland pwns you guys  Still too bad I can't get into that huge flow of drugs
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: cybrbeast]
#5699400 - 06/01/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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But you're right: a sheet is a consumer amount in my book too. Suppose you have a sheet of reasonable LSD. Not good, certainly not great, but reasonable, with lets say 50 micrograms of LSD on it per blotter. When stored properly, it stays potent.
A normal user would like 1-3 of these blotters for a trip, let's assume an average of two, which equals the intensity of 1/8oz of Cubies (20mg psilocybin). Then its not too far off to assume that he'd take one such trip in about 2.5 months (ten weeks) which totals 5 such trips a year.
THe last time I bought Cid was February 03' when I went to Mardi Gras with some friends. 200 hits cut from a pretty large Grid of Id say atleast amber if not Silver from my take (definately cleaner than average). I kept 100 tabs in my headstash and took the other 100 to New Orleans. Between the 8 of us (and a few random strangers), We burned 100 tabs within a weeks time. 3 years later, I still have 76 of the other hundred hits stashed away and only take out for spiritual, explorational and more personal trips with close friends. I wouldnt dare bust it out during a party though cause it would be gone by the end of the night... I know people push by the tab at festivals and stuff but in my eyes, thats more like somebody givin you a few dollars to top off his bowl. Getting the proportions right when your trying to covertly tear off individual hits, rumaging through crumpled dollar bills looking for the exact $23 for the 4 doses---its silly. If somebody calls themsleves an LSD dealer, I want to be buying by the strip and to unlaod strips, you need to be stocking atleast 4 sheets per run.
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Re: The Shroomery buys a sheet of LSD [Re: Asante] 1
#5701745 - 06/01/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Would possibly in theory LSD still be available for $4.000/gr?
Yes. The price at the top (at least in the Dead /counterculture/ SF scene) the price has not gone up much at all. The price increase is comming from the middle. A few years ago at Bonnarroo I watched a friend sell five grams. He made 300 a gram in profit which is a standard family tax. Then I saw lot kids making more off of one 1000 dose ten pack then he made off of 50,000 doses. Then agian my friends motive were completely different then those slinging sheets on the lot. Things are really fucked right now. The price of precursers like ergotamine taratate have not increased in price nor are they harder to aquire then 10 years ago. There has been no increase in cost in making LSD. The only increase in since 9/11 air travel is no longer a option in distibution. The problem comes from the fact that 10 years ago we had a massive network that flowed like butter. Now that is gone and all thats left is some kind folk at the top that have to let there product flow through tiny little streams full of shady cats with dollar signs in there eyes.
People say well if I'm going to commit a felony then I should be paid well. Fuck that! How about payment in the knowlege that your spreading a sacred substence that can utterly change and save the lives of people. This buisness started from the heart and until the motives of those involved turn towards the heart then it will stay the same or get worse(price wise). Money is dirty paper, Love is eternal and the only thing that matters in the end.
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