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The Dharma Bums
#5693798 - 05/31/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyone read this book? I read 'On the Road' by Jack Kerouac last summer and was really amazed by how a car could go back-and-forth across the US so many times. I'm liking this one even more, a lot more hitchhiking and train travel with a Zen Lunatic mind-set. I just tried standing on my head for awhile, i seem to do good at 80sec intervals. Anyone interested in meditation and whooping it up in the '50s in California should check this out. I'll probably be getting the documentary from netflix soon, but does anyone know how much of his stories are fiction?
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: schmutzen]
#5693978 - 05/31/06 06:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dharma bums is essentially 99% true to life.
Japhy is Gary Snyder, in case you didn't know
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: schmutzen]
#5693983 - 05/31/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I liked Subterraneans the best, although The Dharma Bums was a great read as well.
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: schmutzen]
#5693988 - 05/31/06 07:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have mixed feelings about the book. On the one hand it's clear that they had a very limited understanding of eastern philosophies and so it's a terrible introduction to Buddhism, mixing up many different and sometimes contradictory traditions. This is understandable in an age where very little first hand information was available.
On the other hand, their wild youthful enthusiasm is very catchy and it probably is a faithful representation of the time and a window into the birth of the New-Age movement.
About the number of journeys across the country, it probably looks more than it was because the book is a condensation of the events of many years. In some parts of the book months go by in a single paragraph.
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: schmutzen]
#5694053 - 05/31/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the dharma bums is probably my favourite book by kerouac (although there is something to be said for the resignation of satori in paris). while kerouac himself didn't know much of the specifics of eastern philosophy, gary snyder certainly did...
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: Krishna]
#5694940 - 05/31/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey thanks for all the replies everybody. It really feels like this book is changing me, good stuff
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: schmutzen]
#5694999 - 05/31/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've read it. Good book.
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: schmutzen]
#5695041 - 05/31/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jack Kerouac is one of my favorite authors. Check out "Desolation Angels." Another great title by Mr. Kerouac.
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: gema]
#5695108 - 05/31/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That iz teh guy who wrote the screen play for Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas right? I love that movie.
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: schmutzen]
#5695197 - 05/31/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dharma Bums was freakin great! A great read and had some great writing about hiking in the mountains that I really connected with. Also had that crazy beat vibe to it, sleeping in shacks and drinking wine at poetry slams and free love... I think I was supposed to read this book earlier in life, perhaps just after high school. It gives you a hopeful and yearning wanderlust that is suited to youthful fancy.
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HELLA_TIGHT said: That iz teh guy who wrote the screen play for Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas right? I love that movie.
That movie was based on a book written by Hunter S. Thompson.
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Re: The Dharma Bums [Re: schmutzen]
#5695296 - 05/31/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ginsberg wrote this,
America I've given you all and now I'm nothing. America two dollars and twenty-seven cents January 17, 1956. I can't stand my own mind. America when will we end the human war? Go fuck yourself with your atom bomb I don't feel good don't bother me. I won't write my poem till I'm in my right mind. America when will you be angelic? When will you take off your clothes? When will you look at yourself through the grave? When will you be worthy of your million Trotskyites? America why are your libraries full of tears? America when will you send your eggs to India? I'm sick of your insane demands. When can I go into the supermarket and buy what I need with my good looks? America after all it is you and I who are perfect not the next world. Your machinery is too much for me. You made me want to be a saint. There must be some other way to settle this argument. Burroughs is in Tangiers I don't think he'll come back it's sinister. Are you being sinister or is this some form of practical joke? I'm trying to come to the point. I refuse to give up my obsession. America stop pushing I know what I'm doing. America the plum blossoms are falling. I haven't read the newspapers for months, everyday somebody goes on trial for murder. America I feel sentimental about the Wobblies. America I used to be a communist when I was a kid and I'm not sorry. I smoke marijuana every chance I get. I sit in my house for days on end and stare at the roses in the closet. When I go to Chinatown I get drunk and never get laid. My mind is made up there's going to be trouble. You should have seen me reading Marx. My psychoanalyst thinks I'm perfectly right. I won't say the Lord's Prayer. I have mystical visions and cosmic vibrations. America I still haven't told you what you did to Uncle Max after he came over from Russia.
I'm addressing you. Are you going to let our emotional life be run by Time Magazine? I'm obsessed by Time Magazine. I read it every week. Its cover stares at me every time I slink past the corner candystore. I read it in the basement of the Berkeley Public Library. It's always telling me about responsibility. Businessmen are serious. Movie producers are serious. Everybody's serious but me. It occurs to me that I am America. I am talking to myself again.
Asia is rising against me. I haven't got a chinaman's chance. I'd better consider my national resources. My national resources consist of two joints of marijuana millions of genitals an unpublishable private literature that goes 1400 miles and hour and twentyfivethousand mental institutions. I say nothing about my prisons nor the millions of underpriviliged who live in my flowerpots under the light of five hundred suns. I have abolished the whorehouses of France, Tangiers is the next to go. My ambition is to be President despite the fact that I'm a Catholic.
America how can I write a holy litany in your silly mood? I will continue like Henry Ford my strophes are as individual as his automobiles more so they're all different sexes America I will sell you strophes $2500 apiece $500 down on your old strophe America free Tom Mooney America save the Spanish Loyalists America Sacco & Vanzetti must not die America I am the Scottsboro boys. America when I was seven momma took me to Communist Cell meetings they sold us garbanzos a handful per ticket a ticket costs a nickel and the speeches were free everybody was angelic and sentimental about the workers it was all so sincere you have no idea what a good thing the party was in 1935 Scott Nearing was a grand old man a real mensch Mother Bloor made me cry I once saw Israel Amter plain. Everybody must have been a spy. America you don're really want to go to war. America it's them bad Russians. Them Russians them Russians and them Chinamen. And them Russians. The Russia wants to eat us alive. The Russia's power mad. She wants to take our cars from out our garages. Her wants to grab Chicago. Her needs a Red Reader's Digest. her wants our auto plants in Siberia. Him big bureaucracy running our fillingstations. That no good. Ugh. Him makes Indians learn read. Him need big black niggers. Hah. Her make us all work sixteen hours a day. Help. America this is quite serious. America this is the impression I get from looking in the television set. America is this correct? I'd better get right down to the job. It's true I don't want to join the Army or turn lathes in precision parts factories, I'm nearsighted and psychopathic anyway. America I'm putting my queer shoulder to the wheel.
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HELLA_TIGHT said: That iz teh guy who wrote the screen play for Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas right? I love that movie.
That movie was based on a book written by Hunter S. Thompson.
Who the hell is Hunter S. Thompson?
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HELLA_TIGHT said: Who the hell is Hunter S. Thompson?
Counter-culture guy....liked guns...did a lot of drugs....blew his brains out.
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Like Jerry Garcia?
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RandalFlagg
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I thought he had a stroke.
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I heard he overdosed on acid?
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Prepare to be flamed by Jerry's kids.
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No, Thompson used a gun to blow his brains out.
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I was just looking that book up online...I have not read it yet...Two good ones that I enjoy are Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and Pardon Me, Your'e Stepping on My Eyeball....Tom Wolfe and Paul Zindel...I am looking for some Hunter works....
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So he didn't overdose on acid with Jerry Garcia?
Weird.
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