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#5691867 - 05/30/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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do you ever feel pushed and pulled by those around you?
Does it ever seem like everyone is trying to cram their agenda down your throat?
Why cannot people live out their own agendas, instead of forcing their agendas on others?
I admit, in the past I have tried to force my agendas on others, and truly I have paid dearly for this.
But these days, I have learned to respect the opinions, needs, and desires of all.
I just wish they would stay out of my life and keep to their own.
It sucks when people try to tell you what to do, or influence your life with their manipulative tactics.
That is why I always try only to help people find their own nature,
and never try to impose mine on them.
All I ask is respect for the source. What people do with their lives is up to them, so long as they don't negatively interfere in the lives of others.
bigots often point their fingers and cram their agendas down the throats of others. I too am guilty of this, though I draw the line at blatant interference and instead stick to offering friendly words of advice.
Ah, well. I suppose I'll have to wait for death to be free from the burdens of other people's opinions.
Edited by DoctorJ (05/31/06 02:09 AM)
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ] 1
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But these days, I have learned to respect the opinions, needs, and desires of all.
Your posts do not reflect this often. You trash people often in P&S and in my personal experience in PMs. I think you're full of BS.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
#5691951 - 05/30/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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really?
and how have I forced anything on you by expessing my opinion?
do you believe in freedom of speech?
because if I were ever to be deprived of my freedom of speech, then I would be forced to use much greater powers
and I don't think you want that.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5691973 - 05/30/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eat my shorts. You have no power and so must pretend on these forums that you are some almighty godlike being and threaten to get everybody who challenges you. How wimpy.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
#5691985 - 05/30/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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of course, you are entilted to your opinion.
and so am I.
see how this works?
playing with others can be fun!
for all the manipulation I have done to others
they have manipulated me 100x more.
and for this they will pay. maybe not in this life, but certainly in the next.
is that not a positive belief?
sorry that you don't run my mind
I'm so sure that you could do a much better job 
after all, it takes a whole village to raise a child, right
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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for all the manipulation I have done to others
they have manipulated me 100x more.
and for this they will pay. maybe not in this life, but certainly in the next.
is that not a positive belief?
So wait...you're saying the level/magnitude of manipulation depends on how they will pay? Manipulation is manipulation. You're no better than they are. You may not have come out and said that, but it seems obvious from the way you talk.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692012 - 05/30/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I stopped manipulating people a long time ago
but people continued to manipulate me
If they don't stop, I'll continue.
It really is that simple
no one should want to manipulate anyone but themselves, and possibly their soul mate.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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I stopped manipulating people a long time ago
good!
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but people continued to manipulate me
find new people.
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If they don't stop, I'll continue.
so...how does this change anything?
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692041 - 05/30/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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but people continued to manipulate me
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
#5692051 - 05/30/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I cry for them, not me.
think about that.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692070 - 05/30/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's your post to me in P&S.
yes and I'd rather torture you
its much more satisfying than putting an end to your pointless existence.
You are a major liar according to your own posts.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
#5692117 - 05/30/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sometimes my idea of torture is giving people what they think they want.
then it quickly becomes what they don't want. and I keep giving it to them anyway 
chinese water torture.
didn't I ever tell you I learned torture from the very best?
for truly, I do not torture.
I only allow people to torture themselves, until they realize what a stupid game it is.
I am the best at what I do. people shouldn't try to outdo me in this regard
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692136 - 05/30/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Right! Please, give me a break.
putting an end to your pointless existence.
Now please put a loving spin on this for my entertainment.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (05/30/06 07:27 PM)
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
#5692160 - 05/30/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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those who die ascend
often, I have thanked those who have killed me in previous lifetimes.
"Fear not the cross, for fear of death is the beginning of slavery."
but don't worry. Promoting such a mediocre student as yourself wouldn't be good for either of us. You're not ready for death yet
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692172 - 05/30/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Speaking of schizophrenia.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
#5692185 - 05/30/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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how much psych training to you have?
I'd like to see your credentials for diagnosis.
I have a degree in psych.
which is enough to know that most psychology is psuedo-science at best.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692192 - 05/30/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: I have a degree in psych.
You work at McDonald's?
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5692200 - 05/30/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no, I have a private practice
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692204 - 05/30/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd like to see your credentials too. But come to think of it you could have as that field draws all the looneys.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692212 - 05/30/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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By the way, I'm not trying to bash you or anything...just confused by the things you say that I have read.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692220 - 05/30/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692225 - 05/30/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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find new people.
well, you can't just give up on your friends. We are all connected.
besides, I like to look after my investments 
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so...how does this change anything?
the ebb and flow is change.
without change, we would be nothing.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692234 - 05/30/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, see, like this
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besides, I like to look after my investments
and you still haven't answered how this changes anything? You do the exact same things that you say pisses you off in other people???
Your statements confuse me the more this goes on. Sorry.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692241 - 05/30/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692247 - 05/30/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can be a very confusing person.
but those who know me well see crystal clear.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692249 - 05/30/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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demius said: Your statements confuse me the more this goes on. Sorry.
DoctorJ and Baby_Hitler are the two most obscure, confusing, and interesting people on the Shroomery.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
#5692258 - 05/30/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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double-talk leads to confusion. If you stuck to one thing, there would be little to no confusion.
RandalFlagg: yea, I'm becoming aware to this fact.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692269 - 05/30/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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my talk is only double when it is interpreted as such
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692271 - 05/30/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I feel like the TV, government, media, radio, advertising, billboards, are forcing agendas on me.
Raping my mind.
And that when I'm around people who are blasting phat commercial laden beats, watching stylish commercial laden shows.... etc.... that agendas are being forced upon me against my consent.
The solution is to live alone or with likeminded people. They [media with agenda] are a collective mantra of depravity, paralysis, and self destruction.... and it's hard to get that shit out of your head.
I mean here's a case in point. I'm in the other room, some standup comic says a swear word and it goes BEEP in my head I put the word "fucking" into a sentence I'm thinking when if he hadn't swore I would have put something else in.
But it's so much more pervasive. It creates every thought you have to some extent, if you are familiar with the trips I've psoted about regarding television and lack of mental free will.
So this is really all I feel. I would gladly take someone trying to push bigotry on me.... telling me I'm wrong.... I'd take that anyday over someone pushing the ON button.
THAT... that I do no like exposure to. Toxic waste.... mantra of great evil, great power. Never ending. Always coming back to hear it just one more time. Sleeping with it as a lullabye. Exposing your young infants to it. Driving with it.
The matrix.
The nice thing about shroomery is I can say this over and over and no one seems to care, and some seem to understand.
I don't know when I'll stop ranting. I guess when I've gone long enough without having to hear a TV that I find better things to post abuot.
But people need to KNOW! The people that watch need to know moreso than you people.
Those are the hidden agendas that get under my skin. Poor little baby slipping out of stream consciousness, out of deep silence, into a sea of filth structured around sexual craving to the point of rubbing yourself raw and never being satisfied. Death and violence and bomb hymnals, odes to mankinds greatest feats. Constant demons screaming throughout the static, never in harmony with each other, always spewing dissonance from their digital mouths. Poor infant brought from silence, from God, into hell.
Now his stream to swim in is the stream of the collective mind of Satan incarnate........ he cannot tune out. He cannot ignore. His parents don't sing to him... they park him somewhere and let the TV do the singing. And so as he gets his feet on the ground, leaves the stream, his mind filled with this filth.... he calls it friend.
And he plays with it always.
Sick.
Fucking terrible.
I've felt it. I've felt the infant submerged in that sea of absolute acrid feces........degenerate filth.
Hopefully it is just my imagination. I don't think I went through it.... I may have sometimes...... but I went through it the night I experienced a lot of this stuff I'm writing about, from the infant's perspective.
Bad stuff.
Sure TV could be fantastic, the free speech channel is good.... documentaries are great. It's just the AGENDAS and the PACING put into it. Cut that out, you have a useful medium.
also south park is pretty good for its social commentary and clever satire.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692273 - 05/30/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: my talk is only double when it is interpreted as such
Wow...just ...wow.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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According to your logic, people are just using their freedom of speech to try to persuade you with their opinion. There's nothing wrong with that.
I think it all comes down to you. If you don't want someone's advice, then tell them so. An explanation is always preferable because logical people like to get down to the reasoning.
I realize that it's necessary to be tactful, canderous, and respectful when it comes to your friends and their beleifs/logic. However, I always felt that it is better to question in order to find an answer. Even if you can only say "I don't know". That is worthwhile because the question will be there for you to consider. Sometimes you just aren't prepared to delve into the nitty gritty stuff.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: leery11]
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And all that relates to this thread how? Oh yeah, sorry. Someone is forcing us to watch TV.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: leery11]
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get rid of your tv. problem solved, at least that part of it. I'm in the process, or at least trying, to take all these things, some you mentioned, out of my life.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: The_Hobbit]
#5692293 - 05/30/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no, people directly intervene in my life, using much more than just their mouths. they have stolen what is mine. They have corrupted my allies. they have destroyed themselves, which was never my intention.
there is no single opponent in my struggle. As long as I stand by myself, it will always be me against the world.
I'm just trying to get people on the winning team, for their own benefit.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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my talk is only double when it is interpreted as such
I agree to an extent. But you, as the speaker, are sending the message. If I decode the message as double-talk then is that not what it is? If not, then you need to do a better job of encoding your messages, that is if you want people to decode them correctly.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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I'm just trying to get people on the winning team, for their own benefit.
There is no winning team...there is no winning, and there is no losing.
edit: you are trying to persuade people "for their own benefit"...hmmmmmmm....
your idea of "their own benefit" may not actually be to their benefit. You live your way, let them live theirs.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692319 - 05/30/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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it will always be me against the world.
Hey, I think there's a song in there somewhere.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
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demius said:
edit: you are trying to persuade people "for their own benefit"...hmmmmmmm....
do you doubt my intentions? I have done much good in this life. It hurts when people think I'm out to get them. I'm not. People are out to get themselves, and thats sad.
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If not, then you need to do a better job of encoding your messages, that is if you want people to decode them correctly.
on this, you are correct. I often find it hard to say what I truly mean. I do believe I am getting better in this regard.
but understand that relating to others my ideas has never been easy for me, simply because my ideas are complex and often confusing.
all I offer is the truth. I cant help it if others choose to make their truth ugly.
just remember, though: If I were to truly communicate, I would not use words at all. But most people can't handle that.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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just remember, though: If I were to truly communicate, I would not use words at all. But most people can't handle that.
For a second time, I agree with you. I've been thinking about this a lot.
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but understand that relating to others my ideas has never been easy for me, simply because my ideas are complex and often confusing.
I'd like to think the same about myself, but then I realized two things: 1) I can't get my message across to people, so I stopped trying (for the most part) for the time when it makes sense enough to me to make sense enough to others, if they want it, & 2)my ideas aren't too complex for people...they are too simple.
I don't and don't not doubt your intentions. Frankly, I don't give a damn. Why does it matter how much good you have done in your life? Why bring it up, what relevance does it have?
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692373 - 05/30/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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a man's truly positive actions have a LOT of relevance. Tons and tons of relevance. Faith is always rewarded. The ultimate faith is rewarded ultimately.
but sometimes it takes awhile to get the reward. Don't blame me for this. If I had it my way, the reward would be instantaneous. Its less confusing that way.
and yes, my ideas are both simple and complex. They are what people make of them. I admire both sides of that coin.
but what I don't admire are pain, dishonesty, and lack of respect for others who deserve respect. The army of light will put an end to these things. It is inevitable.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692383 - 05/30/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You don't admire pain...
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sometimes my idea of torture is giving people what they think they want.
then it quickly becomes what they don't want. and I keep giving it to them anyway
You don't admire dishonesty...
So you genuinely care about all people, and try to be good...but you do it all for this "reward". Why not do it because we are animals? Why not do it because it is natural? Why do it for this "reward"? Is that not dishonesty?
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692443 - 05/30/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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haven't you ever heard the spanking expression: 'this hurts me more than it hurts you'? thats true when the intention of punishment is benign.
And I have been helping people without reward for quite some time now. Many people have been helping without reward. And thats exactly why the takers should be ashamed of themselves. Thats exactly why the takers will pay.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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And I have been helping people without reward for quite some time now. Many people have been helping without reward. And thats exactly why the takers should be ashamed of themselves. Thats exactly why the takers will pay.
But you are expecting a reward; you have already stated this in this exact thread.
Ishmael I'm guessing? Yes, the takers will pay, all of us, you included. You are a taker as much as I. Now, we both may have the same goal in mind. I want to become a leaver. Ufortunately, I prefer farming to hunting/gathering. I like to stay in the same place, physically.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
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WTF are you talking about?
putting words in my mouth again.
I'm my own reward. I don't need any others. It would be nice, but ultimately all I need is inside me.
I have worked tirelessly for others without reward. Thats fine, if the world wants to play it that way, but I don't think they are making a wise choice.
are you saying that the person who risks his life and gives up what he needs so that others can have theirs should never be rewarded? Thats sick, man. Of course those people get rewarded! But not often soon enough.
no, I don't expect a reward. I've been expecting imprisoment, torture, starvation, and death for myself since I was a boy.
but if people got with the fucking program, I wouldn't have to expect these things for myself and men of my ilk. It really is that simple. Look at the people around you, man! They are mostly a pack of fuckups, and they are being rewarded for it! But not really. Their reward is temporary. My reward is eternal.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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a man's truly positive actions have a LOT of relevance. Tons and tons of relevance. Faith is always rewarded. The ultimate faith is rewarded ultimately.
but sometimes it takes awhile to get the reward. Don't blame me for this. If I had it my way, the reward would be instantaneous. Its less confusing that way.
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And I have been helping people without reward for quite some time now.
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I'm my own reward. I don't need any others....
So you are your own reward, yet you have no reward. I say "WTF", man?
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692548 - 05/30/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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death is my reward
but who is to say that I can't stop and smell the roses while I'm alive?
many people have come between me and my desires, despite the fact that my desires are benign and benevolent. I really don't want much out of this life, and yet people try to pry what little I have away from me. What fools they are! For they shall truly pay dearly for this.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692557 - 05/30/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hate to tell you, but everyone's reward is death. Furthermore, if this is true, they won't pay anymore dearly than you or I.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692585 - 05/30/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bah. you doubt the existence of Justice? Who do you think you're talking to? 
Justice will always be done. You can count on that.
Satan tricks us into thinking that there is no Justice. If I were you, I would let that advice go in one ear and out the other.
for those that do good will always be rewarded.
and those that do evil will always be punished with the same suffering that they have inflicted upon others.
It really is that simple. I can't think of a way to make it more simple than that. Good lord, you people are dense.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692589 - 05/30/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think I'm talking to a human, an animal, just the same as myself. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't understand this concept of "satan" you speak of.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
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maybe if you met him you'd understand. Sorry, I can't help you there. He's kind of a recluse these days
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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Icelander said: And all that relates to this thread how? Oh yeah, sorry. Someone is forcing us to watch TV.
ermmm ????? 
In the same sense that we are forced to talk to or meet new people, we are forced to be exposed to television pollution.
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demius said: get rid of your tv. problem solved, at least that part of it. I'm in the process, or at least trying, to take all these things, some you mentioned, out of my life.
yeah my tv isn't a problem because i don't watch it unless i want to. and if i want to i mute the commercials. i watched it maybe 3 times last month.
other people's tvs and them wanting to "hang out" (which means sit and stare at something and not interact with other people) is the issue.
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DoctorJ said: maybe if you met him you'd understand. Sorry, I can't help you there. He's kind of a recluse these days
You sure he doesn't speak through the TV? American Idol nanananana ahhhhwahhhh nananana ahhhwahhhh nanananan ahhhwahhhhh nanananana ahwahhhhh nananana
that's a damn good theme song! Carrie Underwood selling Hershey's bars with her music. Not that I should know these things..... 
so you touch on takers....
how can you be a given unless you receive that which is needed to be a giver? Does the act of being a giver transform you, such as the Mahayanna tradition of being so sefless in service that eventually you reach nirvana without hardly realizing it....
or is it more ME centered, you have to go and find that divinity first before you can go and help others?
I'm a taker. It's not good. But I don't know what to do in the mean time. Try to meditate more...... pray for transformation. I don't know if I can handle it, but pray that any obstacles to handling it are removed too.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: leery11]
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In the same sense that we are forced to talk to or meet new people, we are forced to be exposed to television pollution.
Maybe when you're a kid, but I don't think I'm forced to talk to or to meet new people. And I'm so out of the TV loop I don't even know what's on the tube anymore.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: But these days, I have learned to respect the opinions, needs, and desires of all.
Your posts do not reflect this often. You trash people often in P&S and in my personal experience in PMs. I think you're full of BS. 
Granted I haven't seen any of these PMs you speak of, but from what I can observe, most of the negativity I'm seeing is coming from you. DoctorJ may have some wierd beliefs, and his cryptic responses may be annoying sometimes, but I have not seen him turn hostile towards anyone. I think you have some anger problems that you need to work out for yourself.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Silversoul]
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thanks, pal
you know I often see you as my equal in many regards.
keep up the good work, and know you have my support. I consider you a brother, and I hope we get to meet in 3d someday.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5693415 - 05/31/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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No problem. I try to stand up for compassion and understanding whenever I can, though being imperfect, I sometimes fail to live up to it.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Silversoul]
#5693457 - 05/31/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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happens to the best of us, bro 
still, I'm proud to call you friend. You've been an inspiration.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5693712 - 05/31/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: no, people directly intervene in my life, using much more than just their mouths. they have stolen what is mine. They have corrupted my allies. they have destroyed themselves, which was never my intention.
there is no single opponent in my struggle. As long as I stand by myself, it will always be me against the world.
I'm just trying to get people on the winning team, for their own benefit.
Everyone is on the same team. You are a part of that team. If you oppose others, you are hurting your own team.
Nobody will do anything because you manipulate them. That is not their choice. Only you can help yourself.
Find a reason to accept it or accept it and find a reason. You win either way. Don't judge, understand. I want to hold you ha-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-and. =D
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: The_Hobbit]
#5693722 - 05/31/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you totally miss the point, as usual.
I pity your fate, doublethinker
I hope you enjoy being the greatest hero of all: empty space
luciferians fade to nothingness. Ask Ahkunaton 
if you want to have a soul, I'd suggest you quit force-feeding me yours for breakfast every morning
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: The_Hobbit]
#5693785 - 05/31/06 03:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I keep telling you people that the joke is on you, and you keep laughing at me anyway.
what fools you are! making yourselves disappear, never to return again unless you are summoned.
being in my debt is a very bad place to be indeed.
I give you too much credit, and you use it to charge a lot of bad karma on your soul. You can dig a big hole with the credit I offer.
do you think I'm going to let you wait 7 years, declare bankrupcy, and shirk your responsibility? 
that ain't gonna happen, pal. sorry to say, you'll being working for quite a while to pay off those debts of yours. It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said: you totally miss the point, as usual.
I pity your fate, doublethinker
I hope you enjoy being the greatest hero of all: empty space
luciferians fade to nothingness. Ask Ahkunaton 
if you want to have a soul, I'd suggest you quit force-feeding me yours for breakfast every morning
You know, if you want people to be on your side, you might want to start by being more straightforward with your message, without all this cryptic shit.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
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Icelander said: But these days, I have learned to respect the opinions, needs, and desires of all.
Your posts do not reflect this often. You trash people often in P&S and in my personal experience in PMs. I think you're full of BS. 
Granted I haven't seen any of these PMs you speak of, but from what I can observe, most of the negativity I'm seeing is coming from you. DoctorJ may have some wierd beliefs, and his cryptic responses may be annoying sometimes, but I have not seen him turn hostile towards anyone. I think you have some anger problems that you need to work out for yourself.
Sorry but I like to call Bull Shit when I see it. I think I posted one of DJs responses to me here which you seem to have ignored. If you haven't noticed his posts in P&S it's because you don't want to. That's your business completely.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Silversoul]
#5694945 - 05/31/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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DoctorJ said: you totally miss the point, as usual.
I pity your fate, doublethinker
I hope you enjoy being the greatest hero of all: empty space
luciferians fade to nothingness. Ask Ahkunaton 
if you want to have a soul, I'd suggest you quit force-feeding me yours for breakfast every morning
You know, if you want people to be on your side, you might want to start by being more straightforward with your message, without all this cryptic shit.
people should stop calling me out on personal matters in a public thread, then
that poor misguied soul is someone who knows me IRL, or thinks he does anyway.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5695156 - 05/31/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you act differently in real life than you do here? If so, what would be the reasons?
I'm interested.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5695189 - 05/31/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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in real life I shut the fuck up, don't act on my beliefs
I don't fuck people over
people do that to themselves
all I have to do is sit and wait
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5695204 - 05/31/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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wait for what?
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5695259 - 05/31/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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my destiny
death and rebirth
my work is done
I'm just waiting for the rest of the world to catch up
But I won't wait much longer!
All Aboard! Next stop, the future!
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5695302 - 05/31/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I quit. You're far too self-consumed. How can you ever stop questioning? How can you think you have the one and only way?
Please don't start the "putting words into my mouth" crap again either.
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I'm just waiting for the rest of the world to catch up
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5696318 - 05/31/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ: I would appreciate an understandable response to my reply. I can't decipher your point, which is obviously your way of telling me that I'm wrong.
Please keep things on point and logical if you choose to reply to this.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5696915 - 05/31/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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My advice is don't worry about other people at all- you can only control your own attitude. Forget about whomever may have done you wrong in the past (including this thread). Drop that baggage for some instant relief.
Stop with the transparent and grandiose ego defense and face yourself. You are NOT Yoda or some Eastern master- you are just a confused human being. There is nothing wrong with that.
Also stop whatever drugs you are on and seek counseling immediately. Your mental illness is evident to virtually everyone reading this thread and most likely almost everyone in your life. Instead of realizing this and facing your problems you are projecting them onto other people.
Please stop wasting your energy on an elaborately constructed ego defense and redeploy that energy to face your problems. Only then can you help others in a constructive manner.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: zorbman]
#5697044 - 05/31/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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seek counseling?
thats your advice for ridding myself of the influence of others? seek counseling?
let me tell you something about loss:
money: I've lost more money than you ever knew existed. Whose hands did it end up in? the hands of my worst enemies.
love: I have known true love, and lost its tender kiss. The love of my life is now a disfigured tramp who will never redeem herself.
friends: I've lost most of my friends to greed and power.
family: they've all become twisted wrecks of what they used to be since I showed them my way
If anyone else had lost what I have lost in their life, they would have shot themselves a long time ago. My perserverance is unparalleled.
the only thing that cheers me up is knowing how immearsuably I have gained by losing what is measurable.
But to truly collect my reward, I must die. This does not scare or concern me.
What scares and concerns me is the possibility of having to spend another 80 years on this toilet prison planet. Another 80 years of smiley glad-hands with hidden agendas and disfunctional, insecure actresses.
So thats why I say: fuck it. I don't want the gold, I don't want the girl, I don't want this toilet earth or anything it has to offer. I'm just waitin for the bus home, man.
You can all destroy eachother all you want after I am gone. There will be nothing to hold back World War 3 then. You've all been itchin for the big one, so why the fuck not. Have fun killing yourselves, I'm peacin out of this bitch.
Every day, I meditate a little more and eat a little less. Soon I will ascend from this material prison and find my true home in the stars.
so long, and thanks for all the fish.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5697633 - 06/01/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you going to answer my reply?
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5697657 - 06/01/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't really know what to say to you. I have no desire to antagonize you further, but I don't want to descend into cheesiness either lol.
I can say I do hope you find your way out of the maze you have found yourself in. And I must say I sense in you someone who is still able to help others. I think that may even be your calling if you can somehow cut through that fog that envelops you at this time.
My perserverance is unparalleled.
No, not unparalleled but strong and getting stronger. That gives me some hope for you and your situation. I hope you come to feel the same way eventually.
That light that you shine on others to discover their motivations, don't forget to turn it upon yourself now and then. It will be painful, but then most antiseptics applied to wounds hurt like hell at first.
And finally, why not? a movie quote for you. It is the final line spoken in the movie 'Seven' by Morgan Freeman:
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote,
"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: zorbman]
#5698301 - 06/01/06 03:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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my only motivation is to return to what is mine once I have helped others find what is theirs.
Don't mind me,
just passin through,
Just visiting,
not tryin to rock the boat
if anything, I'd like to reinforce its hull
never know when the icebergs might pop up 
but hey it would be nice if I had some female company while I'm here.
I got everything I need back home
but I'm a long way away from there.
besides, my wife is always looking for new forms
to try on.
Oh man, these last few days have really sucked, but I think I'm better now.
a little sad for others perhaps,
but I think I'm gonna be alright
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: The_Hobbit]
#5698353 - 06/01/06 03:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5707002 - 06/03/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The fact of the matter is that, from my own observations, Doctor J is very isolated and lonely, and this makes him sad and confused. His posts, especially in P&S, suggest that he treats the forum as his domain, in which he can act out all of the roles which he cannot in real life. I think he's focused on his identity to the point where it is completely fragmented and confused. 
I personally have put him on ignore. I cannot do anything to assist him and his situation, as he is possibly too willingly delusional to be receptive to any honest communciation amongst others here... after all, we're just his puppets. I got over trying to show him inconsistencies in his thought and trying to help him gain a sense of reason. Tuning him out is like the equivalent of switching off the aforementioned television, which is devoid of meaningful content. I'm not going to listen to the ramblings of a schizophrenic all day, especially when trying to converse with one in order to offer assistance only furthers the delusion of the schizophrenic.
I feel sorry for him, and remember back to when he didn't post in such a crazy manner. I think something happened with some relationships with women or something, based on certain things he has said. If he cannot stop putting up the front that he does and start being open and honest with us, then he cannot even begin to do so with himself, and will not be able to be helped.
 Peace.
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Same same.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
#5707332 - 06/03/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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PRAY FOR DOCTOR J!!! GET BETTER SOON MAN!
Edited by mickdawg666 (06/03/06 03:17 PM)
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I think its sad that you choose to ignore me. There's a lot of people I don't like or don't agree with on this forum, but I don't have anybody on ignore. As a matter of fact, I like reading posts from people whose philosophies differ from mine, because they open my mind and present me with a challenge.
I started this thread because I'm sick and tired of being manipulated by the people around me. If anyone here knew me IRL (and I suspect some of you do), you would know that I've spent a lot of time getting fucked around, and people have put tremendous amounts of pressure on me to believe certain things or behave certain ways. This is bullshit, and I'm not going to put up with it anymore. My life is just that: MINE. Everyone else has their own life to live, and that should be enough. I don't understand why people always try to manipulate me! Don't they have anything better to do? Am I some great asset to mankind that must be constantly drawn upon or directed? People should be their own asset, instead of making others their asset.
Seriously, sometimes it seems like everyone wants something different from me, and that makes it hard for me to be my own person. I'm always telling people to be themselves and leave me alone. But they insist upon getting me involved and interfering in my life.
Well, I have decided to stand up for myself and not let the expectations of others influence me as much. I still believe in turning the other cheek and being a servant to mankind, but I have to draw the line somewhere. I need a personal space to call my own, where I am the master and no one can tell me what to do. I feel I am entitled to this.
The world and its inhabitants have often made themselves obstacles in my path, even though my intent is only to help others. Why anyone would mistreat such a loyal servant as myself is beyond me.
Lets just say that I've taken a lot of shit off this planet, and yes, it effects me. My soul can take all the pain in the world, but being in the possesion of a body has left me susceptible to negative energy. Being exposed to all this deception and treachery has fucked me up a little, but I'm actually quite proud of myself for dealing with my hardships as well as I have. If my life were a movie, I don't think anyone would want to watch it because there's a lot of sad parts with no purpose or resolution. I have had to live this life, and though I try my best to grin and bear it, its hard sometimes. People shovel all this shit on my back, and I break down and get angry, delusional, depressed, whatever.
But as of yet, I have hurt no one but myself. I seriously doubt that most people could go through what I've been through without freaking out and going completely postal on everyone, Tony Montana style. At times I have considered this behavior, but I have always known I'm better than that, even though I am quite capable of inficting serious pain, perhaps even getting away with murder. But I would rather heal my enemies than murder them, because if my enemies were healed, they wouldn't be enemies. Besides, I believe in reincarnation, so murder doesn't really solve shit. Killing your enemies just means that a bunch of babies will be born with chips on their shoulders. And they'll come back for revenge. I'd rather just avoid that viscious cycle by killing my enemies with kindness, making friends of those who would seek to hurt me (intentionally or otherwise).
Anyway, I think I'll be a little better from now on, because I'm not alone anymore! I hooked up with a chick this weekend and already the healing has begun. Hopefully I can make this one last awhile, because I already feel as though I have made a lot of progress on healing my wounds with the help of this kindred spirit. Already, I feel better, and more able to let the past go and not let it get in the way of my present and future.
A lot of the shitty things people have done to me in the past are still effecting me, but with the help of a little TLC, I plan to solve these problems and leave them in the dust. Thank God for a nice girl, right when I most needed one, because it was getting so hard to face the world alone every day. Wish me luck in making this one count!
I appreciate all your words of advice and prayers. I know you all care about me the way I care about you guys, its just hard to help people because we are all different and want different things out of life. There is no such thing as universally good advice, there is only, the advice that works best for a particular person in a particular situation. Thats why I think people should quit telling eachother what to do and who to be and just focus on their own perogatives.
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