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demiu5
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692383 - 05/30/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You don't admire pain...
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sometimes my idea of torture is giving people what they think they want.
then it quickly becomes what they don't want. and I keep giving it to them anyway
You don't admire dishonesty...
So you genuinely care about all people, and try to be good...but you do it all for this "reward". Why not do it because we are animals? Why not do it because it is natural? Why do it for this "reward"? Is that not dishonesty?
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692443 - 05/30/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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haven't you ever heard the spanking expression: 'this hurts me more than it hurts you'? thats true when the intention of punishment is benign.
And I have been helping people without reward for quite some time now. Many people have been helping without reward. And thats exactly why the takers should be ashamed of themselves. Thats exactly why the takers will pay.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692459 - 05/30/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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And I have been helping people without reward for quite some time now. Many people have been helping without reward. And thats exactly why the takers should be ashamed of themselves. Thats exactly why the takers will pay.
But you are expecting a reward; you have already stated this in this exact thread.
Ishmael I'm guessing? Yes, the takers will pay, all of us, you included. You are a taker as much as I. Now, we both may have the same goal in mind. I want to become a leaver. Ufortunately, I prefer farming to hunting/gathering. I like to stay in the same place, physically.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692507 - 05/30/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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WTF are you talking about?
putting words in my mouth again.
I'm my own reward. I don't need any others. It would be nice, but ultimately all I need is inside me.
I have worked tirelessly for others without reward. Thats fine, if the world wants to play it that way, but I don't think they are making a wise choice.
are you saying that the person who risks his life and gives up what he needs so that others can have theirs should never be rewarded? Thats sick, man. Of course those people get rewarded! But not often soon enough.
no, I don't expect a reward. I've been expecting imprisoment, torture, starvation, and death for myself since I was a boy.
but if people got with the fucking program, I wouldn't have to expect these things for myself and men of my ilk. It really is that simple. Look at the people around you, man! They are mostly a pack of fuckups, and they are being rewarded for it! But not really. Their reward is temporary. My reward is eternal.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692533 - 05/30/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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a man's truly positive actions have a LOT of relevance. Tons and tons of relevance. Faith is always rewarded. The ultimate faith is rewarded ultimately.
but sometimes it takes awhile to get the reward. Don't blame me for this. If I had it my way, the reward would be instantaneous. Its less confusing that way.
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And I have been helping people without reward for quite some time now.
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I'm my own reward. I don't need any others....
So you are your own reward, yet you have no reward. I say "WTF", man?
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692548 - 05/30/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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death is my reward
but who is to say that I can't stop and smell the roses while I'm alive?
many people have come between me and my desires, despite the fact that my desires are benign and benevolent. I really don't want much out of this life, and yet people try to pry what little I have away from me. What fools they are! For they shall truly pay dearly for this.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692557 - 05/30/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hate to tell you, but everyone's reward is death. Furthermore, if this is true, they won't pay anymore dearly than you or I.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692585 - 05/30/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bah. you doubt the existence of Justice? Who do you think you're talking to? 
Justice will always be done. You can count on that.
Satan tricks us into thinking that there is no Justice. If I were you, I would let that advice go in one ear and out the other.
for those that do good will always be rewarded.
and those that do evil will always be punished with the same suffering that they have inflicted upon others.
It really is that simple. I can't think of a way to make it more simple than that. Good lord, you people are dense.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692589 - 05/30/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think I'm talking to a human, an animal, just the same as myself. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't understand this concept of "satan" you speak of.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: demiu5]
#5692595 - 05/30/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe if you met him you'd understand. Sorry, I can't help you there. He's kind of a recluse these days
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5692622 - 05/30/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: And all that relates to this thread how? Oh yeah, sorry. Someone is forcing us to watch TV.
ermmm ????? 
In the same sense that we are forced to talk to or meet new people, we are forced to be exposed to television pollution.
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demius said: get rid of your tv. problem solved, at least that part of it. I'm in the process, or at least trying, to take all these things, some you mentioned, out of my life.
yeah my tv isn't a problem because i don't watch it unless i want to. and if i want to i mute the commercials. i watched it maybe 3 times last month.
other people's tvs and them wanting to "hang out" (which means sit and stare at something and not interact with other people) is the issue.
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DoctorJ said: maybe if you met him you'd understand. Sorry, I can't help you there. He's kind of a recluse these days
You sure he doesn't speak through the TV? American Idol nanananana ahhhhwahhhh nananana ahhhwahhhh nanananan ahhhwahhhhh nanananana ahwahhhhh nananana
that's a damn good theme song! Carrie Underwood selling Hershey's bars with her music. Not that I should know these things..... 
so you touch on takers....
how can you be a given unless you receive that which is needed to be a giver? Does the act of being a giver transform you, such as the Mahayanna tradition of being so sefless in service that eventually you reach nirvana without hardly realizing it....
or is it more ME centered, you have to go and find that divinity first before you can go and help others?
I'm a taker. It's not good. But I don't know what to do in the mean time. Try to meditate more...... pray for transformation. I don't know if I can handle it, but pray that any obstacles to handling it are removed too.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: leery11]
#5692668 - 05/30/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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In the same sense that we are forced to talk to or meet new people, we are forced to be exposed to television pollution.
Maybe when you're a kid, but I don't think I'm forced to talk to or to meet new people. And I'm so out of the TV loop I don't even know what's on the tube anymore.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Icelander]
#5693386 - 05/31/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: But these days, I have learned to respect the opinions, needs, and desires of all.
Your posts do not reflect this often. You trash people often in P&S and in my personal experience in PMs. I think you're full of BS. 
Granted I haven't seen any of these PMs you speak of, but from what I can observe, most of the negativity I'm seeing is coming from you. DoctorJ may have some wierd beliefs, and his cryptic responses may be annoying sometimes, but I have not seen him turn hostile towards anyone. I think you have some anger problems that you need to work out for yourself.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Silversoul]
#5693404 - 05/31/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks, pal
you know I often see you as my equal in many regards.
keep up the good work, and know you have my support. I consider you a brother, and I hope we get to meet in 3d someday.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5693415 - 05/31/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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No problem. I try to stand up for compassion and understanding whenever I can, though being imperfect, I sometimes fail to live up to it.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: Silversoul]
#5693457 - 05/31/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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happens to the best of us, bro 
still, I'm proud to call you friend. You've been an inspiration.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5693712 - 05/31/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: no, people directly intervene in my life, using much more than just their mouths. they have stolen what is mine. They have corrupted my allies. they have destroyed themselves, which was never my intention.
there is no single opponent in my struggle. As long as I stand by myself, it will always be me against the world.
I'm just trying to get people on the winning team, for their own benefit.
Everyone is on the same team. You are a part of that team. If you oppose others, you are hurting your own team.
Nobody will do anything because you manipulate them. That is not their choice. Only you can help yourself.
Find a reason to accept it or accept it and find a reason. You win either way. Don't judge, understand. I want to hold you ha-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-and. =D
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: The_Hobbit]
#5693722 - 05/31/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you totally miss the point, as usual.
I pity your fate, doublethinker
I hope you enjoy being the greatest hero of all: empty space
luciferians fade to nothingness. Ask Ahkunaton 
if you want to have a soul, I'd suggest you quit force-feeding me yours for breakfast every morning
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: The_Hobbit]
#5693785 - 05/31/06 03:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I keep telling you people that the joke is on you, and you keep laughing at me anyway.
what fools you are! making yourselves disappear, never to return again unless you are summoned.
being in my debt is a very bad place to be indeed.
I give you too much credit, and you use it to charge a lot of bad karma on your soul. You can dig a big hole with the credit I offer.
do you think I'm going to let you wait 7 years, declare bankrupcy, and shirk your responsibility? 
that ain't gonna happen, pal. sorry to say, you'll being working for quite a while to pay off those debts of yours. It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.
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Re: other people's agendas [Re: DoctorJ]
#5694182 - 05/31/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: you totally miss the point, as usual.
I pity your fate, doublethinker
I hope you enjoy being the greatest hero of all: empty space
luciferians fade to nothingness. Ask Ahkunaton 
if you want to have a soul, I'd suggest you quit force-feeding me yours for breakfast every morning
You know, if you want people to be on your side, you might want to start by being more straightforward with your message, without all this cryptic shit.
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