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Spreading spores out side??
    #5691155 - 05/30/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hey guys, iknow im a nube and this maybe in the worng place on the forum but i didn't know where else to place this sorry if it is missplaced. but, im wondering,
Why don't people just buy spore syringes and spray them out side???
i know when growing indoors you need complete sterility but, why wouldn't it work? someone wanna explain why people don't spray the spores out side in a part of a yard or on mulch in a garden or something to start an out door colony and get yummmies year after year and not be procecuted for the mushies?!? if you could explain that would be great! im just curious and im sure there is a good explination thanks guys
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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: SenselessRebel]
    #5691210 - 05/30/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

cause most of the time that doesnt work; mushrooms need OPTIMAL conditions to grow. temperature, humidity, enough nutrients, and im sure there's more that i just cant think of. but yeah, i injected a syringe full of liquid culture into a pile of manure a few weeks ago, and so far i dont think that has made any progress at all. then again, it might just take a while. i mean if you think about, BIIIG pile of manure, and 12 itty bitty cc's of mycelium. it should probably take a while for it to establish itself. that same day, i took a half colonized cake and crumbled it into a pile of manure and, voila! mushrooms are pinning already.

i've heard of people around here just colonizing cakes and tossing them out back, and that seems to work fine. as for the spores alone, different story. i'm sure it could work, you just need a good environment.

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: SenselessRebel]
    #5691465 - 05/30/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

People do grow outside. Search for 'outdoor cultivation' and you will find many useful posts. The outdoor temp/humidity determines fruiting. A lot of people dump their used cakes out side and if anything comes up- bonus.


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: mycogirl]
    #5691893 - 05/30/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Its because its an unreliable method. If you had heaps of spore syringes are sprayed them around your yard - some might start up - but its not gaurenteed by any stretch of the imagination.

Its a dog eat dog world in your back yard - imagine all the contams and shit substrate they the spores have to fight to colonise.

Remember that for every mushroom on the planet - roughly one spore from the billions it produces lands and can survive long enough to make another generation.

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: Feelers]
    #5693887 - 05/31/06 05:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: pac_man]
    #5693929 - 05/31/06 06:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You want to have a reliable method of inoculation - spreading spores (especially cubes) isnt gonna be much good in your back yard, growing and starting an outdoor bed wins hands down. 

Interesting about inoculation of an entire field though... You could grow the mycelia in a liquid culture and spray that around. This thread probably should be in the cultivation forum but perhaps someone out there has an idea on how to inoculate a field? :laugh:

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: Feelers]
    #5693984 - 05/31/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Interesting about inoculation of an entire field though... You could grow the mycelia in a liquid culture and spray that around. This thread probably should be in the cultivation forum but perhaps someone out there has an idea on how to inoculate a field? :laugh:




That would be awesome - if it worked. You could make 5 gallon LC in a beer making bucket  :cool: spray it around in some pasteurized horse manure/chunky vermiculite....


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #5693985 - 05/31/06 06:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm surprised mushrooms arn't extinct.
If they need perfect conditions to grow, and we can create that at home, why is contamination such a major threat.

That is unless the conditions we create are not that perfect at all.

Far as ive heard any contaminated cake will fail or produce bad shrooms.
So how they stand a chance outdoors is beyond me.

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5693987 - 05/31/06 06:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Nature is an amazing thing. People want to think they are above such things, but it is nothing more then a lie.


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5694409 - 05/31/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not seeing why if the grower has conditions that are correct for his/her strain and has a local strain variety why things would not eventually take hold in at least a pre-sterilized substrated inserted into the ground, now that's not too difficult, but hey don't trust everything I say...


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: beforetimetook]
    #5695196 - 05/31/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They MIGHT, and you MIGHT get a couple of mushrooms out of it... Its not the sure thing that most people are looking for. There is a reason why commercial mushrooms growers don't do it that way...


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5696308 - 05/31/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i know every dumbass in my area goes looking for shrooms...even though there are not cubensis in my area.... but they are convinced that the know everything. although there are the shrooms up in Bethany that everyone picks and a few other species that grow in Pennsylvania. none that they will find though... but yeah commercial growers wouldnt wanna grow outside cause of the dumbasses that go lookin might get lucky and then theyd be S.O.L.


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: shopdropper]
    #5696677 - 05/31/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm talking about legal mushrooms. Legal commercial mushroom growers grow both outside and inside, but they don't go around spreading spores into the ground, they use grain spawn... Because IT WORKS... Consistently. If spreading spores in compost worked consistently, I'm sure that they would be doing that as it would considerably drop production costs.  :mushroom2:


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5704703 - 06/02/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

shopdropper
i live near bethany sorta and today i found...well look at my fucking Avatar man! i ate some of that shit earlyer i went home and id'd it man and then i ate some and now....im well on my way. Amanita muscaria yellow variety kncase you couldn't sear cuz of the baddd quallity bad picture
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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: SenselessRebel]
    #5704838 - 06/02/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

LOL you ate it before you ID'd it? Amanita Muscaria is toxic when fresh....


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: SenselessRebel]
    #5708504 - 06/03/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: SenselessRebel]
    #5713477 - 06/05/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well i have tried this in ohio. my friend had a horse so i used multiple teks. i took spore prints and released into the air, i rubbed them all over a rack and racked the grass where the horse too shits in the field, and went as far as feeding the horse spores on treats. i did but mycelium on a horse crap/straw compost pile also which i did find mycelium 4 weeks later crawling around but also many contams. i have no answer on how these work as it was my friends girlfriends farm and when they broke up i had no entry to the field. however the straw/crap pile looked promising i couldnt check on it. also i did hear that later in the summer there where mushrooms all over. that doesnt mean anything however because mushrooms would be all over anyway just because of the location and none were identified because i could not visit the site again. and if it did work(highly unlikly) i wouldnt have known what tek worked except for the crap/straw pile.

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: durban_poison]
    #5801678 - 06/29/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

we have had LOTS of rain. Know there is LOTS of outdoor mushrooms. Perhaps im going back out a daybreak. I have spored this same feild for five years. In fact i have numerous post on inviting localized or wild variety cubs in field. some are several years old.first off i flag and monitor terds. After a prolific flush, usually 2-3 differnt varieties (non cub) are present. I go after promising terds which aren't flushing while others are. If they are in high grass, shaded area it becomes host. I have used spores and liguid mycelium. Find wild mushrooms are best strain choice. Salt licks, and commercial feed are going to lower results.

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: gorgebush]
    #5820579 - 07/04/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Actually, I'm working on a similar line of investigation at the moment myself.

I made up a big 4.8L container of liquid myc and then emptied it out into a plant pot (drilled for drainage) using compost as a filter cake to catch the solid myc (it ended up like runny soup once all the liquid was in there). Theoretically, I should now have a layer of myc somewhere near the surface of this compost (once it eventually drained). I then covered it with about an inch or so of additional compost and have filmed over the top of the pot to limit water loss.

It's about 25 - 28C during the day and 10 - 12C at night at the moment, so it'll be interesting to see if anything happens.

The way I see it, I have a bunch of prints lying around so it won't hurt to do some experimenting with one or two of them.

I've set myself a bit of a challenge, to see if I can get mushrooms using nothing more than ordinary household items to cultivate them. Whilst a PC is an ordinary item for a lot of people, I decided to qualify it as out of bounds for these experiments.

I made up another 4L of myc this afternoon.

The immediate thing jumping out at me is that the blacker and bigger the print you start with the better. You really want one majorly caked out mofo if at all possible so's that you get an equally juicey LC - by not sterilising we need a massive colony of the desired myc present to avoid major contaminations.

The idea of cultivating mushrooms more like plants, rather than giving the lab sterile starting points just manipulating the numbers present and environment, interests me quite a lot.

If I see anything I'll post up how I've done it. Although, I don't think my compost is up to much compared to the homegrown kind.

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: johnuk]
    #5833831 - 07/07/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

inject spores into a lot of apples. throw the apples into the cow field. wait a few years.


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: SenselessRebel]
    #6399738 - 12/23/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

my friend has a 10acre pasture behind his house.We always started are hunts in this pasture,never any luck after 2 years hunting there.I had about 50 prints laying around I put all of them in a 2 1/2gal sprayer in three batches and sprayed the entire field.This summer about 5 years later I found 6 shrooms growing there.Not an imppressive find but it was late in the season.There is the possibility that the spores that those shrooms came from where not mine.The spores could have came from new cattle via there coats or feed hay. Results=inconclusive

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: coastalPharmer]
    #6424079 - 01/04/07 09:56 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I have a hat that i sporeprint on, i where it to every fair and carnival i goto. people unknowingly become transporters of my psilly spores.

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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6426668 - 01/04/07 11:40 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I remember reading a report from a guy where he put spores of a luminescent fungi in a spray bottle and sprayed all the dead wood he had next to a path behind his house. He was then able to have a naturally lit path.

I bet something like this would work with a much heartier strain of mushroom. I am sure some active woodlovers could work, especially if instead of spraying spores you innc. some dowels and then drilled holes in some dead wood to put the dowels into and seal. This is done with other species, so why not something active?


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Re: Spreading spores out side?? [Re: joesmithjoe]
    #6426873 - 01/05/07 01:02 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

best method is to just spread spawn.

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