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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710737 - 06/04/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

are they? UFO sightings are pretty rare

I can think of a half dozen Shroomerites who claim to have seen one up close and personal.

And as for those that do watch skies with instruments, like military, nasa etc. well they certainly wouldn't tell you if they knew.

All of NASA's science is in the public domain.

Besides, NASA and the military are not the only ones with space observing instruments. What about all the academic institutions around the world which are not connected to NASA or under any government control? The first organization to produce hard evidence of aliens would have guaranteed lifetime mega-funding, prestige, media coverage and all the other goodies that would go with such a discovery.


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Diploid]
    #5713991 - 06/05/06 05:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> I can think of a half dozen Shroomerites who claim to have seen one up close and personal.

I have seen dozens of UFOs... well, maybe not dozens, but a lot. Just because it is flying, and unidentified, does not mean that it is an alien ship from the planet Zabuloid, here to snack on cow guts. Preaching to the choir. I am guessing, as a pilot, that you have seen quiet a lot of oddness as well. I am also guessing, as a scientifically oriented person, that you don't immediately jump to the alien encounter claim every time you see something odd. The difference between critical thinking and wanting to believe...

> All of NASA's science is in the public domain.

Not true. Some of NASA's science is classified. Actually, I need to be careful how I state this. I don't know if the science at NASA is classified, but I do know that NASA will facilitate classified projects for other agencies. It has been a while, but I don't think any of the work I did with NASA was classified.

> What about all the academic institutions around the world

Or other governments, or armature astronomers, or professional pilots, or ...


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Seuss]
    #5715644 - 06/05/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> All of NASA's science is in the public domain.

Not true. Some of NASA's science is classified.

I stand corrected.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Diploid]
    #5715726 - 06/05/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well Diploid, you do have a few valid points here, but really it doesn't mean anything for certain and can't be taken as evidence against existence of these creatures.

If the world wasn't full of myths, legends and religions that could support the idea of existence of extraterrestrials, I'd gladly discuss the issue within that frame, but I am simply too overwhelmed by indications from all sides to be affected by your arguments.

I find that the existence of extraterrestrials is a key that nails two (or more) flies with one hit, it gives sense of every mistery human race has ever had.
It can make sense of modern experiences with UFO's, of aincient myths of fairies and goblins, of jewish/christian gods and angels, of indian legends and and many more, and non of it defies science anymore.
It's just too good to be untrue.


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5717977 - 06/06/06 05:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> and can't be taken as evidence against existence of these creatures.

It isn't meant to be. Science doesn't require him to prove a negative. He can sit back and say they probably don't exist because in 10,000 years of recorded human history nobody has ever had one to prove that they do exist. The burden of proof is on the people claiming that aliens exist, not on the skeptic.

> and non of it defies science anymore.

Yes it does defy science. Science requires the scientific method be applied, a hypothesis created, and a conclusion proven or disproven based on experiments related to the hypothesis.

> It's just too good to be untrue.

Fortunately, science doesn't care about what is too good to be true or untrue. Science cares about facts.

> I stand corrected.

Not sure. I might have been wrong, not you. As I said, all of the work I can remember was not classified. Anything that I know of that was classified was through another agency; NASA simply helped (by launching the craft into space, etc).


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Seuss]
    #5718006 - 06/06/06 06:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> Yes it does defy science. Science requires the scientific method be applied, a hypothesis created, and a conclusion proven or disproven based on experiments related to the hypothesis.

We can apply the scientific method only if we are in control of the experiment. But are we in control of hundred of ships filmed and photographed ? :smirk: How can you prove a manifestation you're unable to verify and quantify ? ... and it is there, in front of your eyes !

We are the experiment, we are the guinea pigs. The scientific method is being applied on us ...

We have come a long way since the anthropocentric idea in Galileo's time, but i think we still have the same attitude problem: there's no one else in the universe but us.

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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: MAIA]
    #5718099 - 06/06/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> there's no one else in the universe but us

I cannot imagine that we are alone in the universe. The universe is much, much too large for us to be the only life out there. However, the size of the universe (and time itself) is what makes it extremly unlikely that any of the other life out there has been here for a visit.


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Seuss]
    #5718120 - 06/06/06 07:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> there's no one else in the universe but us

I cannot imagine that we are alone in the universe. The universe is much, much too large for us to be the only life out there. However, the size of the universe (and time itself) is what makes it extremely unlikely that any of the other life out there has been here for a visit.




There we go again thinking we have the whole thing figured out.

We have no idea how to travel quickly between the stars......so it cant be done.

The arrogance of the human race amazes me sometimes


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: niteowl]
    #5718133 - 06/06/06 07:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> We have no idea how to travel quickly between the stars.....

Sorry if I trust Einstein over Aykroyd and company when science is concerned. Sure, it would be great if life was not constrained by reality, but unfortunately, we can not simply wish for something to be simple and easy and all the sudden it happens.

Look at it this way:

1) an alien race is soooo advanced, they can travel between stars in a blink of the eye
2) an alien race is soooo advanced, they cannot remain hidden from simple, stupid, arrogant humans

Either they are advanced or they are not. If they are advanced, and want to remain hidden, then why do we keep seeing them. If they are not advanced enough to stay hidden, then how did they get here? If they don't care about remaining hidden, then why don't they come out and say hello?


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Seuss]
    #5718187 - 06/06/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

1) an alien race is soooo advanced, they can travel between stars in a blink of the eye
2) an alien race is soooo advanced, they cannot remain hidden from simple, stupid, arrogant humans

Either they are advanced or they are not.




Regarding your argument, that's a false dichotomy. Well, i'm sure you knew you were incurring into a fallacy :grin:

Anyway, i know there are strong arguments denying the existence of aliens. Even if we accept their existence, we don't even know from where they are, much less their intentions or agenda. I believe they are advanced races, but like humans, they just aren't perfect.

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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Seuss]
    #5718235 - 06/06/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I can think of MANY reasons for that behavior.

Perhaps they are trying to get us to figure it out on our own........nudge us in the right direction.......get us thinking "outside the box"

If there are aliens watching us, trying to nudge us in the right direction. They couldn't just land on the White House lawn......It would completely shatter our egotistical world view.

Our warlike, barbaric race, that has it's greatest wars over the concept of "God"...would be thrown into chaos at the realization that we were just an experiment with the local primates.

A test to see if they could control the fate/evolution of a species.


Use your imagination and many other explanations can come from this erratic behavior we have been seeing in the sky for centuries, not just in our lifetime.

We think we have it all figured out....yet we keep seeing, all thru our history (even before air travel was invented), strange things in the sky, that we can't explain.

What other explanation is there....many....but you can't say for certain that it is NOT alien activity, just as much as I can't say that it IS alien in origin.


But to completely close your mind, to the possibility of alien visitation, is just foolish/arrogance.


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Seuss]
    #5721500 - 06/07/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the torrent for this film is up and running on http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Seuss]
    #5723328 - 06/07/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thats a dualistic outlook and not the reality.

Firstly who cares what Einstein knows - if these beings are advanced enough then they can travel space, thats a fact because we can do it ourselves!

We can't assume how good their ships are because we only know how good ours are.

Secondly, you can't just lump these ideas together

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1) an alien race is soooo advanced, they can travel between stars in a blink of the eye
2) an alien race is soooo advanced, they cannot remain hidden from simple, stupid, arrogant humans





Maybe they don't care if they get seen by people or not.
Maybe there are many different species visiting whom have different levels of interactment with us.

They don't have to hide theirselves that much because they are that more advanced!

Why do you assume within your arguement that they must be intelligent and hidden or not intelligent?


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Ego Death]
    #5725860 - 06/08/06 06:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

danoEoboy said:
Thats a dualistic outlook and not the reality.

Firstly who cares what Einstein knows - if these beings are advanced enough then they can travel space, thats a fact because we can do it ourselves!

We can't assume how good their ships are because we only know how good ours are.

Secondly, you can't just lump these ideas together

Quote:


1) an alien race is soooo advanced, they can travel between stars in a blink of the eye
2) an alien race is soooo advanced, they cannot remain hidden from simple, stupid, arrogant humans





Maybe they don't care if they get seen by people or not.
Maybe there are many different species visiting whom have different levels of interactment with us.

They don't have to hide theirselves that much because they are that more advanced!

Why do you assume within your arguement that they must be intelligent and hidden or not intelligent?




Every generation of science-fans believes science has reached its peak right now, and that what can't be explained right now can't exist.
What's funny is, people who advance science are those with imagination, with the ability to imagine the "impossible", the rest are just stopping its progress.

There will be a thousand Einsteins more, and each of them will blow the mind of the previous one, and will suprize the human race with his discovery.


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Re: Dan Aykroyd takes UFOs out for a spin [Re: Vvellum]
    #5726579 - 06/08/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

so, has anyone here actually watched the film?


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