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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: DoctorJ]
#5689040 - 05/29/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: thats my stance, believe it or not, I don't care.
here, try this one on for size:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager
"That earlier faith is much more like Pascal's belief, which looks, in a terrifying way, something like a constant suicide of reason, a tenacious, long-lived, worm-like reason, which cannot be killed once and for all with a single blow. From the start Christian faith has been sacrifice: a sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all inherent certainty about one's own spirit, and at the same time slavery and self-mockery, self-mutilation." - Fredrick Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: capliberty]
#5689046 - 05/29/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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capliberty said: Can I ask you what have you gained, intuitive wise from your mental search.
"I know that I know nothing." --Socrates
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"Love is suicide." -Smashing Pumpkins, 'Bodies'
no one said the truth was pretty
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Something comming from nothing;
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: capliberty]
#5689055 - 05/29/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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only spirit can make something from nothing
without spirit, nothingness is eternal.
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: capliberty]
#5689061 - 05/29/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Stephen Hawking's wave function of the universe, he and others have claimed, shows how our universe could have come into existence without any relation to anything existing prior to it, i.e., could have come out of 'nothing.'"
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: DoctorJ]
#5689063 - 05/29/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is what the spirit is
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itstarssaddam said: "Stephen Hawking's wave function of the universe, he and others have claimed, shows how our universe could have come into existence without any relation to anything existing prior to it, i.e., could have come out of 'nothing.'"
Stephen Hawkings has recently admitted that no logical system of understanding could ever possibly explain the totality of experience.
the point of physics is to build spaceships. Not to understand God. Science can't accomplish that.
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: DoctorJ]
#5689106 - 05/29/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think science itself is a religion, so in way science could explain alot more than we think, but like all religions it has its disposition, Its too dogmatic and rigid and this leads to a feeble process that doesn't glorify or give credit to the supernatural.
such as my interpretation of the spirit.
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: capliberty]
#5689131 - 05/30/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did I buzz kill this discussion, continue on, Peace out.
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: capliberty]
#5689151 - 05/30/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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capliberty said: a feeble process that doesn't glorify or give credit to the supernatural.
This is because science has found no evidence to suggest such a thing thus far.
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no evidence they care to acknowledge 
you know, we used to have a guy on these boards named SWAMI that was a lot like you. He would go around trying to debunk spiritual beliefs...
anyway, he's not around here anymore. I think his name is Mother Shabubu now...
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: shroomydan]
#5690409 - 05/30/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: The question is why did Satan fall. If God created him good, then why did he choose evil? It is a mystery which cannot be answered.
I can't remember, where I read about that, but perhaps it was in the apocrypha. Satan simply got jealous, as he heard that god wanted man to have the power over the earth. That made him to trick adam through eve. Satan was the first one, earth was promised, then god decided to give all power over earth to human. The gimmick here is, satan is still the overall owner over the 'earth' and human, by having the ultimate power, is to worship satan by using this 
I hope, this did make some sense
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: DoctorJ]
#5690423 - 05/30/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: no evidence they care to acknowledge 
Well by all means, share with us this buried evidence.
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we used to have a guy on these boards named SWAMI that was a lot like you.
he's not around here anymore.
Is that a threat?
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"Thinking is an activity; every activity requires an agent; consequently"
An agent is not the totality of the action it performs. Is an agent of the law, the law in it's entirety? Is law something that resides in the physical world? Of course, the purpose and effect of the law are designed to impact the physical, social dynamic which is rooted in the flesh, but it would be a mistake to assume that law doesn't exist simply because it appears to only manifest as a consequence in the physical world. But this idea is a mistake as well because the presence of the law affects people's thoughts. They know the law exists so they may refrain from certain actions. Would you also say that their thoughts don't actually exist?
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5690613 - 05/30/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: The question is why did Satan fall. If God created him good, then why did he choose evil? It is a mystery which cannot be answered.
I can't remember, where I read about that, but perhaps it was in the apocrypha. Satan simply got jealous, as he heard that god wanted man to have the power over the earth. That made him to trick adam through eve. Satan was the first one, earth was promised, then god decided to give all power over earth to human. The gimmick here is, satan is still the overall owner over the 'earth' and human, by having the ultimate power, is to worship satan by using this 
I hope, this did make some sense
you are right in some ways
though the deed to earth is in satan's name, God is the cosigner. Its only by virtue of God's credit that satan is able to rule the earth.
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itstarssaddam said:
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DoctorJ said: no evidence they care to acknowledge 
Well by all means, share with us this buried evidence.
that you'll have to find yourself. Its out there. "I can only show you the door. you have to step through it." Perhaps you should read: "The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life" by Drunvalo Melchizedek. I think you'll enjoy it. Its much more powerful than what you are practicing now.
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we used to have a guy on these boards named SWAMI that was a lot like you.
he's not around here anymore.
Is that a threat?
uhhh... You must have a lot of negative energy inside if you percieve a parable as threat.
relax, dude. I always have your back.
"Though I may not agree with what you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
replace the word 'say' with the word 'do', and there you have my philosophy.
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: DoctorJ]
#5690839 - 05/30/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: The question is why did Satan fall. If God created him good, then why did he choose evil? It is a mystery which cannot be answered.
I can't remember, where I read about that, but perhaps it was in the apocrypha. Satan simply got jealous, as he heard that god wanted man to have the power over the earth. That made him to trick adam through eve. Satan was the first one, earth was promised, then god decided to give all power over earth to human. The gimmick here is, satan is still the overall owner over the 'earth' and human, by having the ultimate power, is to worship satan by using this 
I hope, this did make some sense
you are right in some ways
though the deed to earth is in satan's name, God is the cosigner. Its only by virtue of God's credit that satan is able to rule the earth.
The funny thing really is, that Satan, by offering the knowledge of free will to Adam (through the fruit of the tree of knowledge, what is risen consciousness to self-consciousness in primal evolution), Satan handled over the power of the real influence of earth over to human, again, giving in some risk, man could follow 'gods'' ways again, transforming satans realm to a realm of godly laws, what could get tricky, by cause of definition which Satan is the ruler of and they are called 'separation of god's will'  I don't know where this will lead to..
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5690886 - 05/30/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know where this will lead to..
neither do I, and you have no idea how glad I am for that!
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Re: Good, Evil, and Free Will [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5692500 - 05/30/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: The question is why did Satan fall. If God created him good, then why did he choose evil? It is a mystery which cannot be answered.
I can't remember, where I read about that, but perhaps it was in the apocrypha. Satan simply got jealous, as he heard that god wanted man to have the power over the earth. That made him to trick adam through eve. Satan was the first one, earth was promised, then god decided to give all power over earth to human. The gimmick here is, satan is still the overall owner over the 'earth' and human, by having the ultimate power, is to worship satan by using this 
I hope, this did make some sense
I have also heard that story. I believe it is from one of the medieval mystic saints, but I can't remember which one. The sticking point still remains; if God created Satan Good, then why would he become jealous? It seems there must be some defect of character, because jealousy is not good.
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