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 BeppoMarx
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 ANYONE who uses rye... 
#568806 - 03/03/02 04:15 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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PLEASE post your complete method of preparing rye jars.
im having terrible difficulty; let me explain my situation.
first off i weigh out my substrate; not measure it. im trying to be as accurate as possible which is why i weigh. what im currently doing is; get some pint jars; weigh out 130grams of rye and pour dry right into the jar. then wiegh out 130 or 125 or 120g of water (i just tried all 3 mixtures to see which works best). I add the water to the dry rye in teh jar and closed it up. cooked it just liek that with foil over the lid.
and after 7 days only 1 has germinated in 1 spot; but i didnt look to see if it was the wetter or drier one (i was too pissed off for detail).
the only thing i can think of is that when i get done pcing for 1 hour i remove the jiggler for 5 to 10 seconds to release the pressure faster. i do that about every minute until its equalized. i now realize that this may be vaporizing moisture from my jars as it does from teh water level as well.
if anyone has any other methods/mixtures please share them.
also if you have experience with millet AND rye please post the differences in difficulty as i now have millet and want to try that but i kinda wanted to do rye 1st. ANYONE with rye experience PLEASE at least post a short explanation of your methods; i really want to graduate from BRF....
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: BeppoMarx]
#568905 - 03/03/02 06:11 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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well their are 2 ways to prepare your jars i do both. a 1:1 ratio of rye to water, one cup rye to one cup water. dont bother weighing it all out. accuraccy to that degree makes no difference. trust me man weighing it out is a waste of time, use measuring cups.
or you could steep the rye. this is where the rye simmers in water to absorb the water to its max. bring the rye and water to a boil then reduce heat and simer for 45 min or so. donty bol the rye for too long, the grains will explode too much. bring to boil then simmer.
i really dont like steeping the rye but i think its best for moisture content. i ussually use the rye to water ratio though, its much easier. try both and see what you prefere.
i would recomend PC for about 15 min longer than suggested. 1 hour and 15 min will give you some reassurment as to contams. it is very very important to shake the jars while they are still hot to redistribute the wet and dry kernals. if you dont they wil tend to clump really bad also.
at inoculation, i just slightly and carefully lift the lid and squirt in 2-3cc. this way is much harder but its working fine for me. I have some micron filter discs and plastic lids on their way, when i get them i wont be inoculating the way i have been.
hope this helped. good luck!1
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 moblar
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: pleezr]
#568947 - 03/03/02 07:06 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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What? I just chuck in 1 cup rye to a little less than 1 cup water and pressure cook for 1 hour at 15 PSI. I let the PC SLOWLY depressurize and then open and shake the jars while they are still hot. I then close the PC and let the jars cool in it for 5 or more hours. I've innoculated jars in open air and one jar even sucked in air with no troubles. I usually see okay growth in 3 days, shake at 5, and then they are done in 9 or 11 days at the longest. This is rye jars with no air exchange.
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: BeppoMarx]
#568953 - 03/03/02 07:16 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: moblar]
#568964 - 03/03/02 07:34 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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what? what do you mean what? something you dont understand Moblar?
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 Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: BeppoMarx]
#569163 - 03/04/02 12:05 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Baby uses 1 Cup Rye to a little less than 1 Cup Spring water and just a dash of Gypsum..for a Quart jar. 1/2 Cup for Pint jar. Baby puts two holes in her lids one small for the syringe and one for ventilation she uses micron filters. PC for 1hour let pressure release slowly. Take jars out while hot and shake them to distribute moisture..set aside to cool or place in the fridge ( use caution here !). Once cool inoculate through filter disk, tape over hole. Shake jar again to distribute spores. Incubate in the dark mid 80's. Once there is mycelium covering the Rye Shake up the jar to spread to other kernels. repeat in 3-5 days until totaly covered and fluffy.
Here are EQ's on Rye at 4 days.
Here is the same jar at 9 days.
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: BeppoMarx]
#569174 - 03/04/02 12:15 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don?t release the pressure at all, let the pressure cooker cool off the stove untill it reaches ambient pressure(10-30 minutes depending on the size of the pressure cooker and the amount of the jars in it).
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 Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: BeppoMarx]
#569219 - 03/04/02 01:06 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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If using canning jars and liquid inoculation using a syringe, drill a hole in the center of the lid using a 1/16" drill bit. Put the lid on the jar upside down. Now put a square of tin-foil over the lid and form the overlapping edge over the mouth of the jar so it doesn't rip when you put the band back on. Now put the screw band on over the tin-foil and the lid. Put a piece of tape over the hole you made.
When the jar is cooled and you're ready to inoculate, pull back the tape and poke your syringe through the hole. Put the tape back. Done.
After the first time you shake the jar to re-distribute the mycelium (~3 days) you can loosen the lid. I've seen jars colonize in under 10 days this way time and time again (even from multi-spore inoculations, the key is to shake the jar and loosen the lid at the proper time).
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: Anno]
#569301 - 03/04/02 04:00 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good advice Anno.. Seems like most problems are encountered when one tries to short-cut or speeds things up. Patience definitely has its rewards in this hobby.
Also, the whole air-sucking issue can be avoided by using filter discs. Using the right equipment pays off at harvest time too.
I'm a grain user (but, seriously, I can quit anytime). Filter patch bags are another nice piece of equipment to use. You can set the filled bags inside baking tins after inoculation and when it comes time to case the substrate, just slice the top of the bag off and apply casing material. Viola! No 'recovery' necessary.
G'luck w/ the grain.
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: BeppoMarx]
#569393 - 03/04/02 07:59 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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well; i think i see my problem. my rye jars do look much drier that the pics that papa posted; i guess ill have to let the PC cool naturally. ill be cooking some up tomorrow morning as it is my day off so wish me luck! hell ill even get mikes camera and post some pics too. thanks for the advice and replies everyone; i should have this straightened out. now to post again about millet.
excellent signature egghead; melikes 
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: BeppoMarx]
#569397 - 03/04/02 08:10 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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i use rye flour-not rye berries-i do know that rye seems to absorb more water than brf-so i would assume that rye berries would to-my last jars i used finch/flax/brf and i will never go back to rye again-magic hawk forrmul is tha shizzzznit!
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: moblar]
#569554 - 03/04/02 11:28 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've innoculated jars in open air and one jar even sucked in air with no troubles. I usually see okay growth in 3 days, shake at 5, and then they are done in 9 or 11 days at the longest. This is rye jars with no air exchange
Are you spawning, or inoculating from agar slabs?
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: BeppoMarx]
#569556 - 03/04/02 11:30 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, so i use 1.5qt jars.
i use about 1 1/2 cup rye
1 1/4 cup water
cook 'er for 45-1h @ 15psi
cool
spawn 'em
SOMETIMES shake after say 4 days, but generally, its done in about 10. (from spawn) agar takes a little longer (only use this to make new spawn masters)
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: Anno]
#569570 - 03/04/02 11:55 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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why is it important to let the presure lower by itself? makes no sense to me. Ii always pul of the cap of the PC and let the presure whistle out fast, never had a problem. Ano?
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: pleezr]
#569657 - 03/04/02 01:47 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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If the pressure in the cooker falls faster than the pressure in the jars, then the jars can crack.
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 Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: pleezr]
#570200 - 03/05/02 02:27 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pleezr,
The reason you want the pressure to lower by itself is.
You will suck air in from outside the pressure cooker.
You might crack your jars.
You might suck the moisture right out of the jars.
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: pleezr]
#570219 - 03/05/02 03:09 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I cool my cooker in a bath of cold water all the time. I've never had a jar crack this way. Maybe some have, I do not doubt.
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Re: ANYONE who uses rye... [Re: pleezr]
#570307 - 03/05/02 06:23 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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>why is it important to let the presure lower by itself?
The contesnts of the pressure cooker are at 120?C after you?ve finished pressure cooking.
If you lower the pressure in the pressure cooker the contents must cool down to the temperature that is in accordance of the boiling point o f water at that pressure. It cools down by evaporating water, both the water that is in the pressure cooker and the water in the jars.
If the water in the jars evaporates, the water content in the jars will be different as you have intended it to be.
So, if you want to have that much water in the jars as you started with, let the cooker cool down by itself.
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