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OfflineKidgardFromSRQ
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    #5687970 - 05/29/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What's ever come out of athiest or agnostic philosophy?


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688025 - 05/29/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Other philosophies.

Interesting musing......


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Re: ?? [Re: leery11]
    #5688045 - 05/29/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

what good is philosophy if you don't put it to use? and what philosophies could you find that you could not find in believing in one god?


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688093 - 05/29/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am not sure what you mean.
Are you saying that religiouis people can still adopt all the philosophies they want. A Christian nihilist... a Jewish existentialist?

What your post seemed to hint at to me that agnosticism is simply not knowing anything at all.... a giant question...... and that it logically leads to abandoning agnosticism if any part of the question is answered?

Or do you mean agnosticism as an absence of a faith in God, but still philosophically oriented?

I just thought of it like "hey, agnostics disappear once their questioning and doubt is fulfilled."

so that's the only way I know how to respond to what you just said.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: ?? [Re: leery11]
    #5688114 - 05/29/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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leery11 said:
I am not sure what you mean.
Are you saying that religiouis people can still adopt all the philosophies they want. A Christian nihilist... a Jewish existentialist?

What your post seemed to hint at to me that agnosticism is simply not knowing anything at all.... a giant question...... and that it logically leads to abandoning agnosticism if any part of the question is answered?

Or do you mean agnosticism as an absence of a faith in God, but still philosophically oriented?

I just thought of it like "hey, agnostics disappear once their questioning and doubt is fulfilled."

so that's the only way I know how to respond to what you just said.




i never hinted anything. i just cant honostley think of anything uniquely constructive from it all. can you?


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688123 - 05/29/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

what i meant was the way you posted it sparked that musing in me....

and i think it's constructive in the sense that it is destructive... it allows one to strip away unnecessary beliefs that are keeping one from being free, happy, and a realized being.

skepticism, basically. challenging, questioning...... I see it as a stepping stone to further realization, the beginning of a personal journey.

And the other edge would simply be, you aren't concerned so you don't bother making any assumptions at all, and you just live concerned with your immediate life.

aside from enlightened ones, aren't we all agnostic though? Sometimes we have something happen that makes us know there is something more out there... but if we don't follow that hint through to supreme unity, aren't we still agnostic.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (05/29/06 07:49 PM)


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Re: ?? [Re: leery11]
    #5688142 - 05/29/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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leery11 said:
what i meant was the way you posted it sparked that musing in me....

and i think it's constructive in the sense that it is destructive... it allows one to strip away unnecessary beliefs that are keeping one from being free, happy, and a realized being.

skepticism, basically. challenging, questioning...... I see it as a stepping stone to further realization, the beginning of a personal journey.

And the other edge would simply be, you aren't concerned so you don't bother making any assumptions at all, and you just live concerned with your immediate life.




well, when your done being skeptical, you'll find yourself right where you started. just living life day to day, right?


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688150 - 05/29/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yes. agnosticism seems to be a rejection of your current spiritual upbringings but a nurturance of a desire to acknowladge a greater meaning to life and the universe.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: ?? [Re: leery11]
    #5688171 - 05/29/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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leery11 said:
yes. agnosticism seems to be a rejection of your current spiritual upbringings but a nurturance of a desire to acknowladge a greater meaning to life and the universe.




skepticism of god ultimatley leads to the same basic tao principles. which can be found in any religion pretty much.


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688190 - 05/29/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

still, to all of you who condemn religious people as foolish or self righteous or arrogant what ever (which is true to a point), i would like to see anyone prove what i'm talking about. that's my proof of a god.


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688224 - 05/29/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm agnostic and it sets me free to follow my own path. Since I don't know I just follow my intuition, make my best guess and that's very satisfying.


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Re: ?? [Re: Icelander]
    #5688464 - 05/29/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I'm agnostic and it sets me free to follow my own path. Since I don't know I just follow my intuition, make my best guess and that's very satisfying.




i guess that's a good thing in many senses. but what comes out of that other than something for yourself? can that not be achieved in believing in a god anyways?


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688627 - 05/29/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What do you mean by "comes out"?


Edited by MushmanTheManic (05/29/06 09:48 PM)


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688652 - 05/29/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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KidgardFromSRQ said:
What's ever come out of athiest or agnostic philosophy?




Questioning!?

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Re: ?? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5688655 - 05/29/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
What do you mean by "come out"?




what's ever come out of it all? anything good? anything constructive? other than disproving that there is a god (or disproving to believe in god with certainty) with out any real evidence, what has come out of it? i mean, it teaches no values other than "there is no god, so feel free to do what ever you want", which I can't say is a good principle... what has come out of it? anything?


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688662 - 05/29/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Atheism and agnosticism are not philosophies, per se, but differing stances on the religious assertion that God exists.

There are, however, many different philosophies which do not include a supernatural being. Religion is one way to structure your life, one way to determine the "right" course, but it is far from the only way.


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Re: ?? [Re: Veritas]
    #5688680 - 05/29/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Veritas said:
Atheism and agnosticism are not philosophies, per se, but differing stances on the religious assertion that God exists.

There are, however, many different philosophies which do not include a supernatural being. Religion is one way to structure your life, one way to determine the "right" course, but it is far from the only way.




athiesm is anti-philosophy considering its the philosophy of what i would call spiritual apathy. and agnosticism is more like the philosophy of... copping out? but let's keep this simple, and not try to prove me wrong on this. lets look at the solid evidence. name one philosophy of good (contributing to the world, helping others, etc) that is not influenced by religion? and then look at one philosophy influenced by athiesm that has helped anyone or anything?


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688739 - 05/29/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I'm agnostic and it sets me free to follow my own path. Since I don't know I just follow my intuition, make my best guess and that's very satisfying.




i guess that's a good thing in many senses. but what comes out of that other than something for yourself? can that not be achieved in believing in a god anyways?




Are you talking about beliving in religion (god) Mostly evil has come out of that.

If I am at peace with my beliefs I'm a much nicer more relaxed guy. That really helps the world, don't you think?


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Re: ?? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5688818 - 05/29/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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KidgardFromSRQ said:
let's keep this simple, and not try to prove me wrong on this.




:lol:

A common sentiment among theists.


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    #5688893 - 05/29/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I think that scientific progress owes itself to searching for non-theistic explanations of natural phenomena. That is, science doesn't necessarily deny God, but it tries not to assume God's existence.


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