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eligal
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Yet another San Pedro Question...
#5686702 - 05/29/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So with many seeds the prefered technique of germination is the paper towel thing. But for san pedros it seems that the prefered metthod of germination is either sand or sandy soil. Why is there a difference?
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5686732 - 05/29/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cactus seeds need light to germinate.
This is one reason I think.
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eligal
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hmm... but still, wouldnt a moist papertowel in the sun be enough light? why is under sand prefered? Under sand would get roughly the same amount of light as under a thin paper towel right? (obviously it depends how deep under sand you plant )
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5686888 - 05/29/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because they're freaking tiny?
A newly germinated pedro seed is a very fragile thing, same with most cacti. You want it to level itself out and sink itself in as soon as possible. As soon as it has popped open, often times the shell is completely off. Or, it will be overnight, etc.
It just makes more sense to place it in the soil it will grow in, very near the top of the soil.
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eligal
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5686910 - 05/29/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hmm... that makes sense.
damn, i still need to buy catcus soil... thought i would be usin paper towel for a few days
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5686934 - 05/29/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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cactus soil is a waste of money.You can get 3 times as much for the same price.Just buy regular soil.And add some course sand if you wish.
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eligal
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oh really. hmm.... i do live quite close to the beach... so jsut regular soil and sand you say? would i need to clean the mix or would it do fine how it is?
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5686965 - 05/29/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edited by pac_man (06/17/06 05:33 AM)
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eligal
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: pac_man]
#5687018 - 05/29/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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you gotta be kiddin me... where the hell do i get granite from??
or what other type of rough sand could i use?
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5687033 - 05/29/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the sand form the beach would be just fine.It isnt the most course sand,but it will do the trick I think.I dont know what the beach sand is on the west coast.
Here in the gulf its very fine white sand.East coast is darker and a bit more course.
I didnt even use sand to germinate my seeds,and they are fine.
Your beach sand would be great unless your a perfectionest.hehe
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Edited by pac_man (06/17/06 05:33 AM)
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: pac_man]
#5687123 - 05/29/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Where would one acquire ground/crushed granite?Without paying out the ass?
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eligal
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by chisselling someones counter
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5687188 - 05/29/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well a lot of railroads have granite on or around themAlong with some other volcanic rock that weighs next to nothing.But I dont want to go at a bunch of rocks with a sledge hammer.
I would chissel a counter out of pure joy though.
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5687190 - 05/29/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edited by pac_man (06/17/06 05:34 AM)
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eligal
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: pac_man]
#5687226 - 05/29/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think Ill stick to just regular sand. I dont really know many people that would have granite layin around, and Im too lazy to go lookin around for it when I got some sand down the road. Thanx guys!
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5687319 - 05/29/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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you cant use beach sand because of the salt
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: faslimy]
#5687333 - 05/29/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh I didnt think of that!
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faslimy
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river sand is ok
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eligal
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: faslimy]
#5687866 - 05/29/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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salt?? damn! i jsut got back from a long long drive to the beach... (traffic is crazy today!).
hmm.... is salt really so bad? Is there anyway of filtering it out??
And its not like I got sand from under the water.... Wouldnt this sand be a little less salty?
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5687919 - 05/29/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edited by pac_man (06/17/06 05:35 AM)
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: pac_man]
#5688007 - 05/29/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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my pedros are almost 3 weeks old and are doing fucking great.. i used that special catus soil for mine
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eligal
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: Banez]
#5688052 - 05/29/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, everything is ready i think. I got washed through sand mixed in with regular potting soil. Now, basically I put the seeds on top, spread out, and then put the thinnest of layers of sand over them, right? And then i mist it.
right?
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5688061 - 05/29/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes and cover with a plastic bag to keep humidity up.Then when they sprout after a day or so I took the bag off mine.
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Koala Koolio
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We recently talked about this in another thread.
I'd certainly leave the bag on for more than a few days. More like a month... unless you have some other method of keeping humdity.
But, someone wiser than I commented that he leaves it in humidity for 3 months. So, that might be a good idea.
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5688179 - 05/29/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I missed that thread.
Have a link?
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5688535 - 05/29/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks
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yeah thats the thread i think i started.. but i have decided to take the bags off mine at 3 weeks, they look healthy to me and i do kind of have a way to keep humidity up in their area
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: Banez]
#5689665 - 05/30/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edited by pac_man (06/17/06 05:36 AM)
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eligal
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5752112 - 06/15/06 01:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, so, I think I fucked up somewhere along the way.
It seems as though only one san pedro has actually germinated... There were so many seeds, how could only one germinate?! And its sooo tiny, Im not even sure it is what I think it is, but I think it is that. Which is good I guess.
And it seems as though some kinda vines are sprouting... Why the fuck do I have vines sprouting...? Is it something that mighta been in the soil? Did the provider send me the wrong seeds... Doubt full I guess, they were black and small and looked like san pedro seeds. So why do I have vines??
And why have none of the other san pedro seeds germinated? 
Im starting to think I have a black thumb...
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: eligal]
#5752146 - 06/15/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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did you not sterilze the soil? the heat should kill any seed in the medium. maybe you didnt rinse your sand good enough? also its possible your seeds just were old or damaged in shipping but i dont think this is the case.
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: durban_poison]
#5752151 - 06/15/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe spray some water on the surface. i do this after half my seeds germinate and the other half follows a few days after the spray. do cacti seeds need light to germinate? i didnt know the were photosensitive? maybe the heat from the light helps but i dont see light being needed just to germinate.
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Re: Yet another San Pedro Question... [Re: durban_poison]
#5752275 - 06/15/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just keep it sprayed at the proper levels the whole time, and use just a bit of diffused sunglight that comes in through the window. Far from direct, and it's going through plastic too. Don't know if it does much, maybe just enough to let it have some clue as to day/night cycles?
Just keep waiting. Pedro seeds can take a while.
You also might've been sold very old seeds? Vines? You probably didn't sterilize your soil, which could have other consequences that might've hurt germination rates. What kind of temps are they at?
Don't know how long it has been for you. About 2 weeks if you didn't delay long from that last post of yours. Could take longer than 2 weeks. Some of mine sure did. Only the first were popping up around the 12th day. (very old seeds as well. I had them for 2 years... who knows how long the previous owner did).
Keep at it. Mist (if you haven't been... that'll do it.) and make sure the heat is fine, and in the future sterilize your soil.
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